This will work out really well for them.

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    Is it really a strawman? The “resistance” were the ones who did October 7th, and the ones who shot up the music festival. I don’t think there’s any way to defend a group that does that, other than trying to argue it was somehow justified.

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      So what about before Oct 7th what about the hundreds of dead Palestinians in the last year in the West Bank? What about the 2014 massacres in Gaza? 2006? Is that also because of Oct 7th?

      Get lost apartheid apologist.

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        That doesn’t make killing or kidnapping innocents right.

        Both sides of this are bad people and the only good ones are the innocents caught in the middle

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          One side is a genocidal apartheid state. The other is the recipient of that. And you, a very smart person, think it’s ok to both side this issue and criticise oppressed people’s meager means of resistance. That makes you an apartheid apologist. You’re the same type of person who called Mandela a terrorist, but probably praises him now. You’re on the wrong side of history.

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            Am I? I feel safe just going with fuck hummus and fuck Israel.

            Good people don’t attack music festivals and kill innocents that have nothing to do with it.

            Good people also don’t demolish cities and kill innocents that have nothing to do with the fight.

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              Only one group is demolishing cities here.

              You sound like someone who would have told the Jews in the Warsaw ghettos that you can’t agree with their methods when they took up arms and that because they did it’s reasonable for the Nazis to eradicate them.

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                Yeah the Israelis are demolishing cities and killing innocents.

                Hummus attacked innocents and kidnapped CHILDREN.

                They could have turned around and released them the next day and said something like “ They got dragged along in the moment, we recognize that these children are innocent and would like to return them because we are fighting back against oppression, not children.” and I personally would have a shit ton more respect, they should have gave back the old people too, but at least they are adults.

                Israel’s response and previous action one are without justification, so is kidnapping toddlers.

                So yeah, both are bad.

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                  Well, I’m not there, but if I was Hamas I would never kill any children.

                  I saw another day some signs written “kidnapped” put by some Jewish people and first I thought “it’s Zionist propaganda”, but when I got near and I saw children I felt so so so sorry. I cannot Imagine any parent deserve this, be it Palestinian or Israeli.

                  I cannot do anything bad to children.

                  There’s an interview with Palestinians ok the street about what they think of the 7th October, and many seem to disagree on Hamas for hurting children:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_AR71W6l3M

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                  They have offered to release the hostages MULTIPLE TIMES already.

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        Do those justify what Hamas did on October 7th? It’s possible to criticize both sides when both sides have been repeatedly committing atrocities on each other since 1948.

        I believe that without one of the sides stopping and saying they’re done and want peace, and the other side being forced to not capitalize on that situation by the international community, that both sides will constantly feel justified in their violence on eachothers civilians.