• MindTraveller@lemmy.ca
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    4 months ago

    It’s not what they meant, but it’s what they said. They failed to say what they mean because they don’t know what they’re talking about.

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      4 months ago

      it’s what they said.

      They said it? Out loud? With their mouth? Funny how it got on your screen, then.

      Oh, no, they typed it, which is different. But somehow not a problem because words can mean multiple things. And you know what someone is saying about The Idiot’s visible personality disorder, as surely as I know you didn’t think they made that comment through dictation.

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        4 months ago

        Trump doesn’t have a visible disability, he’s a privileged neurotypical asshole. Why is it so hard for you to accept that Trump is a member of the oppressor class in this issue?

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          4 months ago

          Pretending people with issues can’t also be monsters is a form of bigotry. Nothing in reality is a clean binary. The Idiot is history’s most obvious example of narcissism… and people bend over backwards to deny it.

          The man’s own lawyers couldn’t be in a room with him, alone, because he is physically incapable of keeping a story straight.

          Everyone who’s ever known him has come away ranting about what a fucking toddler he is.

          Take a goddamn hint.

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            The problem is that you haven’t once described Trump fulfilling a diagnostic criterion for NPD. You’ve just listed a random hodgepodge of negative traits. The diagnosis of NPD does not label someone “asshole”. It labels someone “patient”. In order to prove that Trump has NPD, you would need, instead of just listing bad traits, to explain how he is caused distress and social impairment by a pattern of symptoms that align with the 9 criteria and how he could benefit from medical treatment. And when I say “benefit”, I don’t mean “become a nicer person”, I mean “feel better and have fewer problems functioning”. The diagnostic criteria do not exist as objective standards, they exist as subjective standards in relation to the patient and their goals and needs. Trump needs to be suffering in order to get a diagnosis. You have to prove he’s suffering. And he’s not, he’s not suffering, he’s not impaired, he’s not disabled, he’s not neurodivergent, he’s just an asshole.

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              4 months ago

              Okay cool, so anyone bipolar insisting there’s nothing wrong with them because they’re riding a manic episode all the way to the shitting stars must not be suffering in any way. Observing their behavior and going “hey I think that guy’s having a manic episode” is an abuse, actually, because how could anyone - in that moment! - prove it would be better for them personally?

              I say this with two bipolar musicians in mind: Kanye West and Rob Scallon. Rob’s a decent guy who went through some weird shit. He eventually accepted that everyone around him identified the shit he was going through. He’s on better drugs now and hopes it won’t be an issue. Kanye is a complete fucking asshole, in ways obviously made massively worse by the negative traits associated with his painfully visible personality disorder. He chased off everyone who’s tried to help him. He will probably never seek medication again. Would his various financial and relationship troubles count as “suffering” in spite of that? Because The Idiot’s committed a shitload of crimes associated with the egotistical and transactional nature of clinical narcissism. Ask his third wife if he had emotional problems, and if her hair ever grew back where he ripped it out.

              Being an asshole and having brain problems are not mutually exclusive. Either can make the other a lot worse… for everyone.

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                4 months ago

                Because The Idiot’s committed a shitload of crimes

                Crimes are not suffering.

                Ask his third wife if he had emotional problems, and if her hair ever grew back where he ripped it out.

                Spousal abuse is not suffering.

                Seems like you don’t have any evidence that Trump is sick. And I mean sick in the actual medical and scientific way, not in the colloquial “sickness = badness” way that you seem to mean it. This is probably why Dr Allen Frances, the guy who literally wrote the DSM 3’s entry on NPD, says Trump doesn’t have it.

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                  4 months ago

                  Crimes are not suffering.

                  Ignoring half a sentence isn’t argument.

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                    4 months ago

                    I didn’t want to quote the second half of that sentence because it was too gross.