• mindbleach
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    9 hours ago

    Not an argument. You’re just complaining about how there’s multiple words for “some schmuck in charge.” Do you realize that’s incompatible with your prior insistence he is not in charge?

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        9 hours ago

        If you can distinctly disagree with it then it’s not word salad. You’re just pulling insults from a hat.

        The comparison between shmucks-in-charge is crystal clear. No CEO plans and runs an entire company. They have layers of people under them. They are still in charge. They pick those planners, and tell them what to do, in broad terms.

        Your argument against this is that the state only has half the economy… and even that is undercut by acknowledging they “heavily plan” the other half.

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          9 hours ago

          No, my argument is that framing Xi as a CEO is nonsense. I disagree with the framing as it isn’t accurate.

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            9 hours ago

            That’s not an argument. That’s a conclusion. The argument is the “why” part. Why is not not accurate?

            You tried arguing why, and missed. That’s what all the stuff about layers of planners is about. If those are the actual reasons you reached this conclusion, it should change.

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                8 hours ago

                Oh sorry, do CEOs not exist on your planet? Are they not in executive control of a hierarchy, with only theoretical means to remove them? Do they not set long-term plans and broad strategic goals, within the context of a global market economy? Y’know - the thing you acknowledge Xi Jinping does, as you try to say he shares no qualities whatsoever with people who do the same thing in the private sector?

                Because that’s what it would take for your response to be anything besides empty signalling to people who dogmatically agree with you just because of who you’re defending. Fairies aren’t real. CEOs are. National executives share enough in common, at the best of times, that idiots and assholes think states should “be run like a business.”

                What happens when a state does control half of a country’s business, and “heavily plans” the other half?

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                  8 hours ago

                  Xi can be recalled, he just hasn’t because he’s wildly popular. The other aspects, such as having some level of control, becomes “Xi is a leader.” Not a leaders are CEOs.

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                    7 hours ago

                    Hey look, an argument! Why’d you jerk me around seven times before trying that?

                    He’s a leader in charge of goddamn near an entire economy. Half of it - by your own reckoning - directly under the state he controls. The other half - as you say - “heavily planned.” How is he not as responsible for those industries as any CEO is responsible for their company? Is it just because he’s even higher up the chain?