• Whirlybird@aussie.zone
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    Gender ideology is not scientific fact. Gender as it is now know has literally no basis in science. Sex is biological reality. Gender is now a “feeling”.

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        That’s disingenuous and your own link doesn’t support what you are saying. The link demonstrates that gender to refer to self-identity is both recent and an artificial distinction. The science behind transgenderism is far from settled as much as people would like it to be. We don’t even know what causes it.

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          Oh no… it does say exactly that and the science is indeed settled. There’s no “artificial distinction;” science says gender and sex are indeed different. Unless of course you can link a reputable scientific organization that disagrees with that overwhelming consensus?

          We don’t know what causes most cancers either. That doesn’t mean they can’t be studied scientifically.

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            I didn’t say it shouldn’t be scientifically studied. It definitely should be, especially the extremely high rates of comorbid mental illnesses in trans/non-binary people.

            The article you linked states that gender is now commonly considered a social construct rather than tied to your biological sex. They are making the distinction so that there is no confusion when reading their papers.

            The science is not settled, they are conceding that the common use of the term now has a different meaning than it did in the past.

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              The science is indeed settled. Asserting once again it’s not or that trans/nb people are mentally ill is both scientifically inaccurate and morally wrong. Unless, of course, you have literally any source claiming otherwise?

              I thought not.

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                Lol you can provide the source as you’re the one claiming it’s settled.

                Your link does not show that it is settled. It states that they are changing their policy on what gendered terms mean in their reports.

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            Your own link say says that gender is a social construct now. They’re saying that there is literally no science involved, there is no basis in scientific fact there.

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        That’s not “scientific fact”. For something to be scientific fact it has to have scientific facts supporting it.

        From that article:

        In the study of human subjects, the term gender should be used to refer to a person’s self-representation as male or female, or how that person is responded to by social institutions on the basis of the individual’s gender presentation.

        “self representation” is how you feel. It’s a feeling. That’s not scientific fact. Going “we acknowledge that society now treats gender as a new thing separate to sex” isn’t the same as it being a scientifically proven fact.

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          I’m really not seeing the logic here, so called “feelings” are scientific facts and we do studies on them all the time. Is hunger not a feeling? Same thing with self-representation. Those aren’t nebulous concepts. Those are well-established scientific facts. Gender is an important part of self-representation and from all indications, one people have very little control over.

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            Gender is an important part of self-representation and from all indications, one people have very little control over.

            So why are there people changing their “gender identity” multiple times a day?

            so called “feelings” are scientific facts and we do studies on them all the time

            Show me a scientific study that has found any existence whatsoever of “gender identity” through science. The very article linked here says it’s a social construct. Social constructs are not “scientific facts”.