• Serdan@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Ridiculous take.

      There’s a vast difference between using a cloud service that definitely spies on you, and a self-hosted solution that you can ensure doesn’t.

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        The ridiculous take is the joke:

        but wait the hardware is not defined by you -it cannot be trusted!

        • ijeff@lemdro.idOPM
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          In this case it’s less about “spying” and more about data being used for training.

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            and advertising.

            and it’s also about the way they pretend that, because they’re processing data on device, it’s somehow safe from them. No, they’re processing data on device to do federated learning (or otherwise use the processed data in ways you still prefer they just not do).

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        a self-hosted solution that you can ensure doesn’t.

        Being self-hosted in no way, shape, or form ensures that it doesn’t spy on you. You’re still putting trust in a third-party to keep their promises. The average user lacks the know-how to audit code. Hell, the average user wouldn’t be able to figure out self-hosting in the first place.

        • Serdan@lemm.ee
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          You don’t have to audit code to ensure it doesn’t call home.

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              disable your internet connection.

              that’s really it. Lots of apps find lots of ways to call home, and Google, especially, is constantly calling home from Android, so unless you’re going to, like… uninstall all but one Google app to test it in a vacuum, and then add other apps one at a time, it’s not going to work. Also, that experiment won’t work, because we already know that Google Play Services handles most of these shenanigans.

        • ijeff@lemdro.idOPM
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          It’s actually quite easy to see if an app is phoning home. Also easy to prevent.

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            1 year ago

            Lol, how do you prevent a Google app from phoning home without preventing all Google apps, including GPS, from accessing the internet at all?

    • 👁️👄👁️@lemm.ee
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      Did you write the driver for the keyboard you wrote that on? Silly and completely unrealistic take. The world relies on trust to operate. It’s not black and white.