• PizzaMan@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Unfortunately the world is a dangerous place

    That’s by design. The intentionality of that design varies person by person who’s in charge. But the design of our society itself is most often to blame.

    The design ought to be changed to one in which there is no danger.

    However just like with every group, there are many sensible people who are gun owners

    And if you are that’s great for you. But the reality is that the more a population owns guns, and the more unrestricted, the more untrained, the more deaths there are. Avoidable deaths.

    And we should avoid them.

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      See I agree with you that there need to be more restrictions on guns, where I disagree is the belief that the existence of guns in and of itself is a problem and that people who carry guns for the Judgment self-defense purposes are automatically suspect.

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      So where on your graph of gun ownership versus death do the various government led massacres fall? I think it was two years ago people were massacred in Myanmar (where guns are prohibited), people are currently being massacred in Gaza (where guns are prohibited), a bunch of people at a music festival (which I would bet was a gun free zone) were massacred last week. Like you don’t have to reach very far into history before you run into governments and armies massacring unarmed populations.

      Are those kinds of events counted in your data on gun ownership and gun deaths, or would they be considered outliers?

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        Are those kinds of events counted in your data on gun ownership and gun deaths, or would they be considered outliers?

        An outlier is something that is graphed. Government tyranny is not a part of the above metric.

        But that doesn’t matter much because:

        Like you don’t have to reach very far into history before you run into governments and armies massacring unarmed populations.

        Ukraine is currently getting mascaraed despite the population being one of the most armed in all of Europe.

        If guns did something to prevent such massacres, then we would have noticed by now. But authoritarian governments do not care about how armed a population is, as evidence by Russia’s complete disregard for how armed the Ukrainian population was. You cannot protect yourself or your family from a Russian airstrike with your gun. The Palestinians in Gaza cannot protect themselves from Israeli bombs with guns. Isrealis cannot protect themselves from Hamas rockets with guns.

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      Thinking that society is “designed” is a conspiracy theory of enormous proportions.

      Society evolves. It’s not a theme park built by some central cabal.

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        I was not saying it was literally “designed” from some central cabal. It’s been designed by countless parties, both within government office and outside.

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          Little bits of it have been designed maybe. In the same way you’d be designing the interior space of a warehouse full of chopped wood, if you were allowed to move the wood around. That’s designing and so is what people do to society but the basic facts of the matter are beyond anyone’s ability to choose, just like no matter where you stack the wood it’s gonna smell like pine sap and sawdust in that warehouse.

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            In not talking about anything small like that.

            I’m talking about our city planning, infrastructure, education system, police, healthcare system, job market, labor law, corporate culture, the monetary incentives corporations have, etc.

            It’s all set up in such a way to produce terrible results. This country extracts from the poor and gives to the rich, it keeps people impoverished. It overpolices marginalized groups. It keeps people infirmed.

            Some of it is intentional, some of it is apathy. But the end result is that crime rates soar. People generally don’t commit crimes when they’re well educated, well payed, healthy, etc. We should be doing everything in our power to effect the above systems to produce better results and therefore less crime rate.

            Crime doesn’t occur in a vacuum, it is absolutely within our power to minimize it.