Remember kids, Tankies wants to undermine democracy - same as facists.

  • r9seng@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    I’m not sure anyone knows what a tankie is.

    Apparently saying any country other than the US should take a turn at world leadership is a tankie opinion.

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        11 months ago

        I’ve seen tankies making strawmen out of things like:

        • People who don’t think ML strategies are a good idea for global revolution.

        • Recognizing that the US, Russia, and China are all fallible. Not equally bad, but comparably flawed.

        • Believing Zelenskyy is like Churchill in both the flattering and unflattering ways, while no amount of Azov Nazis justify Russia’s brutal invasion.

        • Ignorant liberals representing all left leaning opposition.

        I get the impression that you want to paint serious objections and disagreements by genuine leftists as either factionalism that must be silenced, or a plot by capitalists to stop redistribution. Tankies are real, terrible, and willing to defend or perpetuate almost any crime against humanity if they have faith it will contribute to the greater good.

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        11 months ago

        Most people misunderstand what Marxism is. They think Marxism is the communist utopia and every else is just tankies going on a tangent, when in reality that is what Marxism is. At its very core, Marxism is an authoritarian, oppressive, and violent ideology that is fueled by hate and operates like a dogmatic religion. Tankies are just the extremists among the extremists.

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            11 months ago

            Least brain damaged Marxist

            Capitalism and Marxism aren’t even comparable, let alone equivalent. Marxism is an all encompassing ideology, capitalism is an economic system. Your attempt at whataboutism is so piss poor that it’s really not worth entertaining any further.

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                11 months ago

                Better… but as shitty as neo liberalism can be, it is still infinitely better than Marxism.

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                    11 months ago

                    The Soviet Union was not under siege. That’s such a silly claim. The Soviet Union had direct influence over 1/3 of the planet at one point because they were all controlled by Soviet aligned Marxist states. They turned out as they did because Marxism is an inherently authoritarian ideology. There’s a reason why there’s isn’t a single example of a free and democratic Marxist state.

                    Something does need to change, but the solution to our current problems is properly regulated capitalism. Not some failed shitty ideology like Marxism. We need more competition in the markets, we need to break up monopolies, we need more government regulation to protect the environment, workers, and consumers, we need to remove money from politics, we need to allow big businesses to fail when they do, we need to remove the subsidies for massive corporations, and so on. These are simple reforms that would make massive differences.

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      I know you didn’t ask for this rant, but that’s ok, it’s not meant to be directed at you. This is an open -carry ranting state, and this is rant is legal even though it’s unregistered because it’s from the Internet.

      It is shitty to rule - setting aside corruption and greed, and imagining a world where leaders were just and smart and altruistic, etc - even then - ruling will lead to mistakes and failures and horrific results. That’s… unfortunately kind of natural.

      But holding that leadership accountable - that’s normal too. That’s how you remind them what a fuck up is, and what horrific means. Our protests against their failures in leadership are there to right the ship. Our voices are a vital part of the plan.

      (And, yeah, obviously things are weighted a little (a lot) unfairly due to greed and corruption - but that’s not the point. The point is: when something is wrong, it’s wrong. When leaders do wrong, you yell at them. That’s how you tell them what wrong is.)

      To say that we (the USA) can’t be criticized because “omg leadership is hard” is making excuses - and if you stop telling them what wrong is, they’re going to start to forget.

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      11 months ago

      The problem is when that country is Russia or China without major reform. Since those are quite authoritarian.

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      Kind of is at this current moment given the other superpowers, but it’s wrong to even think that the world should have leader like the US. No country has anywhere close to a majority of the people, so an actually multi-polar world, or even a world with no clear poles would be ideal. Taking a turn implies that we need someone else in the US’s role, but the reality is that the role shouldn’t exist.