President Joe Biden goes into next year’s election with a vexing challenge: Just as the U.S. economy is getting stronger, people are still feeling horrible about it.

Pollsters and economists say there has never been as wide a gap between the underlying health of the economy and public perception. The divergence could be a decisive factor in whether the Democrat secures a second term next year. Republicans are seizing on the dissatisfaction to skewer Biden, while the White House is finding less success as it tries to highlight economic progress.

“Things are getting better and people think things are going to get worse — and that’s the most dangerous piece of this," said Democratic pollster Celinda Lake, who has worked with Biden. Lake said voters no longer want to just see inflation rates fall — rather, they want an outright decline in prices, something that last happened on a large scale during the Great Depression.

“Honestly, I’m kind of mystified by it,” she said.

  • Candelestine@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    11 months ago

    Inflation is down. This is not propaganda, but something you can check yourself. Are the prices in the supermarket still rising rapidly or not? If not, then inflation in your area, or the rate change is happening at, is down.

      • Candelestine@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        11 months ago

        If they wanted to bring up any other specific we could’ve discussed, that’d have been fine. Inflation has been the main line of attack on Biden’s economy for the past 2 years though, so I went with the obvious.

        Unemployment? GDP? Hell, even corporate profits and the stock market. Specific things though, one at a time.

          • Candelestine@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            No other way to talk about the economy, unfortunately, it’s pretty statistical. Though I did try to explain how they could get a sense of inflation (locally, at least) just for themselves. Inflation can be handy that way.

            • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              11 months ago

              Sadly, elections are not based on rational thought. If people feel the economy isn’t doing well - for whatever personal reasons they have - they don’t vote for whoever’s in charge.

              You’re not going to “well actually” your way out of malaise. People have to feel like things are getting better for them and the people they know. No amount of statistics will change that.

              • Candelestine@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                11 months ago

                And that’s fine. But, that op specifically wanted to talk about the economy and propaganda, so I figured may as well talk about one of those. Economy is gonna get into statistics, and propaganda is a subjective mess we’d just end up disagreeing on. So I went with economy.

                I can’t live how I wish things should be. I have to deal with hard realities, like how I can talk about something objective and measurable and maybe, possibly, get somewhere concrete.

                • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  And if people were rational I’m sure your statistical analysis of the economy would be effective. But people aren’t rational, and no amount of statistics is going to convince someone who can’t afford their rent and groceries.

                  • Candelestine@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    11 months ago

                    Fair point. Hard realities, though. I can’t really control feelings in any way where I would still be able to feel okay about myself. I’d have to lie and manipulate to control feelings, and I don’t like that. All I can do is say what I think is true, and leave it up to them.

    • the post of tom joad
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      Inflation =/= economy good my good fellow! Try and see what I’m saying before you dismiss it outright. Let’s change the topic slightly so i know what you really mean.

      Do you think there is no propaganda in the us?

      • Candelestine@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        11 months ago

        No, let’s stay on inflation, it’s very simple. Inflation is a percentage that prices are rising at each year, right?

        • the post of tom joad
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          11 months ago

          Well, i guess youre too smart to get off message huh? Just shoot on over to the block button buddy, youre talkin intro to econ like its a slam dunk and i don’t like the way you smell

          • Candelestine@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            11 months ago

            Details are important. We look at one thing at a time for the same reason that scientists try to reduce down to one variable during laboratory testing. Because it let’s us actually get to sound conclusions eventually.