• Sanctus@lemmy.world
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      This is always the answer. “How do we solve x in y industry?” Make the fucking corpos responsible for their own asses and it will get fixed. If it costs them more money to be breached they will do everything they can to not allow that.

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        That, or threaten to nationalize their industry. Corporations *hate * that.

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        “Externalities” are just expenses that corporations incur that have to be paid by the public.

        Make externalities losses again.

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        It’ll also screw over anyone trying to break into the market, ensuring that the big tech companies remain unchallenged indefinitely.

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            I think that’s a great starting point for effective legislation.

            I also think this could easily be twisted to become yet another artificial barrier to entry.

            I don’t know what to do with that knowledge…I think you’re correct, but I also think there’s no way to pass such a law with its spirit intact today

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      They’re too busy proposing legislation to create back doors that completely circumvent security in the first place.

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        Yeah, people shouldn’t look to their government to protect them from this. Hell, I’d be willing to bet no small amount of taxes go to purchasing the leaked info at places like the CIA, NSA, and FBI.

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      Nah, throw the board members in prison. If the punishment for crime is a fine then it’s legal for rich people/corps. Put 'em in solitary and feed them nutraloaf for one day for each person’s data they allowed to be leaked.

      If they get all the money because they’re ultimately responsible, we should make them ultimately responsible.

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        if it means prison time for a middle/lower class person, it should mean prison time for everyone who is responsible for basically publishing logins and personal data.

        no more geeting off scott free because you run a company. you’re a prisoner like everyone else now.

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        Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

        Nutraloaf (also known as meal loaf, prison loaf, disciplinary loaf, food loaf, lockup loaf, confinement loaf, seg loaf, grue or special management meal) is food served in prisons in the United States (and formerly in Canada) to inmates who have misbehaved, abused food, or have inflicted harm upon themselves or others. It is similar to meatloaf in texture, but has a wider variety of ingredients. Prison loaf is usually bland, even unpleasant, but prison wardens argue that nutraloaf provides enough nutrition to keep prisoners healthy without requiring eating utensils.

        to opt out, pm me ‘optout’. article | about

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      As much as I agree that something needs to be done to these companies, and that they deserve punishment, I think this approach would only result in leaks (even more) underreported, which makes it even worse.

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        Are these leaks even being reported by companies? Every article I have seen so far has just been compiling information off the new leaked data set someone picked up off the dark web or something.

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          They weren’t, which is why the SEC updated 17 CFR Parts 229, 232, 239, 240, and 249.

          https://www.sec.gov/files/rules/final/2023/33-11216.pdf

          As of December 18th of last year, publicly traded companies are now required to disclose breaches. (soz, material cybersecurity incidents).

          Prior to that, they could …basically… just effectively sweep everything under the rug “like it never happened” minus a little handwaving and paper shuffling and nobody would find out about it until the information got sold and went public.

          I’ll have to go looking but I would be SERIOUSLY surprised if the disclosures apply to credit card companies (the MOST breached, historically) because I’m not sure what exactly qualifies someone as an asset-backed issuer, but it’s at least a really good step for the REST of things.

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      Article 82, paragraph 1 of the GDPR:

      Any person who has suffered material or non-material damage as a result of an infringement of this Regulation shall have the right to receive compensation from the controller or processor for the damage suffered.

      Paragraph 2:

      Any controller involved in processing shall be liable for the damage caused by processing which infringes this Regulation

      Article 24, paragraph 1:

      **[T]he controller shall **implement appropriate technical and organisational measures to ensure and to be able to demonstrate that processing is performed in accordance with this Regulation.

      Article 5, paragraph 1f:

      Personal data shall be: […] processed in a manner that ensures appropriate security of the personal data, including protection against unauthorised or unlawful processing and against accidental loss,

      Article 83, paragraphs 2 and 5:

      Each supervisory authority shall ensure that the imposition of administrative fines pursuant to this Article in respect of infringements of this Regulation referred to in paragraphs 4, 5 and 6 shall in each individual case be effective, proportionate and dissuasive.

      Infringements of the following provisions shall, in accordance with paragraph 2, be subject to administrative fines up to 20 000 000 EUR, or in the case of an undertaking, up to 4 % of the total worldwide annual turnover of the preceding financial year, whichever is higher:

      (a) the basic principles for processing, including conditions for consent, pursuant to Articles 5, 6, 7 and 9;

      Article 4, paragraph 7:

      ‘controller’ means the natural or legal person, public authority, agency or other body which, alone or jointly with others, determines the purposes and means of the processing of personal data

      (All quotes are excepts, emphasis mine

      https://gdpr-info.eu/

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      They won’t because fines are just a fee to allow them to run unethically. That way businesses get more profit than they would otherwise and government gets their cut to allow it. It’s broken by design.

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      This is the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard. You don’t fine a bank for getting robbed. This reeks of frontend engineer idiocy, which is ironically the exact type of idiocy that tends to cause breaches like this.

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          Ok then, how about considering that this will only serve to benefit the big tech companies because they’re the ones that can afford the fines? A breach is usually enough to make a smaller company go out of business already between cleanup and lawsuits. Why make it easier for the big tech companies to maintain power?

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              I did miss that, but again, it’s additional fines on top of an almost guaranteed lawsuit for something that may not even be their fault. If they got owned by a Heartbleed exploit back when it was first announced and a fix wasn’t available yet, should a company be responsible for that? What about when they get hit by a vuln that’s been stockpiled for a couple years and purposely has no fix due to interference from bad actors? There are a lot of situations where fining someone for getting breached doesn’t make sense.

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                  And I’ll counter with this: no system is perfect, especially when major parts are made by non-employees. Mistakes can and do happen because corporations, regardless of size, are made up of humans, and humans are really good at fucking up.