Obviously I can understand why mysoginists are hated upon, As their belief is all women are trash or men are superior etc. But why are incels also generally hated upon? They are lacking in a way that makes them unable to gey in a relationship, but that shouldn’t necessarily mean they are mysoginists, right?

What am I missing here? I haven’t ever had a relationship with a woman, but I don’t hate all women either. I just consider myself unlucky. Does that make me an incel?

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    The term “Incel” started out as just meaning “involuntarily celibate”, referring to men who, like you and I, have struggled to form meaningful relationships with women.

    The term actually originated in forums that were used as like a support group for men who were feeling alone, isolated, and alienated.

    Unfortunately, if you get enough guys like that together, they might start riling eachother up and convincing each other that it’s not their fault, it’s the women’s fault. Remember, the one common trait among all these guys was a lack of ability to connect with a woman.

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        For all others reading. This is the correct origin. It literally had actual, wholesome origins. That like almost everything, was ruined by selfish, entitled misogynist.

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        Same deal as “men’s rights advocates.” Initially there’s a defensible niche of aggrieved men - usually feeling that way as a direct result of machismo bullshit telling them what they must want (and what they must suppress) in order to “be a real man!” They’re vocal and hyper-aware of the problem but not emotionally equipped or educated enough to address systemic issues.

        These groups are shockingly exploitable. Give them an easy answer and a lot of criticism devolves into shouting matches about that specific answer. That answer is also typically provided by machismo bullshit telling them that anyone besides manly men! being happy is a societal failure at the direct expense of aforementioned manly men!

        This is, of course, fascism. This is inseparable from how irrational authoritarian bigotry always spreads. You find people mad at things they can’t easily change - you give them an outgroup to blame - you declare the stakes to be astronomical. It is exclusively an emotional manipulation that promotes hierarchy as a theory-of-everything in a zero-sum universe.

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      Hey, I don’t struggle to get meaningful relationships! Getting laid tho is a different case sadly