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We in Africa will not be happy about this particular development.
Why?
Almost like it’s insanely hard to make cellular modems or something…
goes to show you how insanely strong Huawei is I hope they come back , I miss their phones but without google services I can’t buy one
That’s truly unfortunate that this modem quagmire on iPhone will continue to persist, even after Apple gobbled up what started it in Intel’s modem unit.
I have no idea, but I suspect the hard thing about making a modern modem is not so much making it, but making it without infringing on a bunch of patents and copyrights.
so many people saying “its hard to make a modem” but nobody has anything to say about why its hard
8 years ago looking at the state of AMD, Intel, IBM, and every other CPU fab would lead some people to say “well yeah making a processor is extremely hard”, yet these days amazon and google literally make their own and there are tons of riscv startups. not saying making a modem is easy but sometimes there are other roadblocks in technology, like bad management wasting money
there are other roadblocks in technology,
Like not getting your ass sued off for violating some patent that some troll somewhere owns.
Wht y there are so many of patents related to modems, but not on other things like cpu, gpu or idk what
Apparently not a problem for Qualcomm, Mediatek, Samsung, or Huawei. And Apple certainly doesn’t shy away from litigation.
It’s not that Apple can’t do it, it’s that they don’t think it’s going to be worth the expense to them.
They’ve been trying. And thus far, failing.
WellThereItIs.webp
yet these days amazon and google literally make their own
Aren’t these ARM processors? Didn’t ARM do most of the engineering?
No, ARM makes the specification and the chip manufacturers implement them
Arm also has their own off the shelf chip designs, and most of the time, companies license the chip designs. I don’t think there are that many that have architectural licenses to use the ISA and implement it themselves/design everything in house.
There is a world of difference between creating CPU’s from the ground up, and fabbing them yourself, and getting an ARM license and using TSMC to make it for you. The former is what IBM/AMD/Intel did for the longest time. Intel’s struggles have mainly been on the fab side.
It’s not technically hard. The tech is quite well understood, and I want to say is kind of basic when compared to other fields.
What’s hard is getting certifications for all the different telecom regulators, getting interoperation to work, and signing deals with others to access their patent licenses without paying super onerous duties.
If you recall, that’s Apple’s weakest point. Apple doesn’t like to work with others (see Nvidia, Intel, etc) - the computer industry is filled with Apple’s dumped ex-partners and telecom modem is the one place where you need cooperation from everyone. Apple needs to suck it up and basically be nice to other companies, and that’s the one thing Apple doesn’t do.
When apple does decide to play nice with others, that’s when you’ll see the modem release.
Qualcomm has spent billions in R&D and development of 5G. They bought patients here and there but most have been developed in house. It isn’t easy, or cheap.
Mediatek, Samsung, and Huawei also have their own modems.
Samsung has 1 5G modem that they keep re-releasing
Patients? Someone got sick/injured?
Animal friendly testing.
So they used humans. Smart move I say
Apple, secretly working on their own standards for iWi-Fi for ten x data rates.
If true this is really bad news.
So no 5g MacBooks then?
This rumor seems sort of dubious. I would wait for a second source to confirm, the dude who leaked mostly gets info from supply chains and his info isn’t always correct (predicted the 1tb iPhone Pro would be replaced with a 2tb iPhone Pro). It’s possible he heard something like they’re no longer planning for it before 2028 and after the game of telephone it turned into they’re no longer planning for it, period.
Yes a bit premature to believe this based off a blogger from Korea. Apple is not so quick to drop the billions they have spent on it already
Rumor is baloney.
wow! this should be at the top
if nothing else, apple’s desire for in-house hardware design should’ve been a big enough red flag that this rumor was false. they will not stop spending money until they break free from reliance on 3rd parties.
Pretty hard thing to do. Intel failed to make one that works correctly.
I assume that Apple will continue buying modems from Qualcomm or is there another vendor (excluding Huawei)?
They also buy modems from Samsung, depending on the region
Since when? I’ve never read that anywhere
I wonder if Apple would ever give an official statement that this has happened.
Wow, they hired a ton of people and acquired Intel’s modem business in the hopes of having their own modem. That’s an expensive experiment
More like a sabotage attempt by Intel
Wut?
It’s totally pathetic that even after buying an entire other modem company they couldn’t even do what Huawei was able to do under sanctions by the entire western world. Huawai’s 5G modem, built on an inferior 7nm process, has been tested to outperform Qualcomm’s. Why are apple engineers so incompetent?
There’s a reason Intel exited in the first place. Had they been successful, it would’ve been a business worth tens of billions of dollars. They exited and Apple wanted to try because the money to buy the business for Apple is chump change.
They could even acquire TSMC if push came to shove. Their large cash holdings gives Apple so much strategic leverage.
They could even acquire TSMC if push came to shove. Their large cash holdings gives Apple so much strategic leverage.
You realize that TSMC is way bigger than Apple, right? Apple’s entire current cash reserves would be enough to buy 1% of the company.
At current market caps TSMC is just over 1/6th the size of Apple
Non issue though because that would never make it past antitrust
You realize that TSMC is way bigger than Apple, right?
By market cap, Apple is significantly larger than TSMC
Yeah no the Taiwanese government would never allow it.
Uhhhh no, Apple would not be able to acquire TSMC
There are 4 companies in the world that make 5G modems:
Qualcomm.
Samsung.
Mediatek.
Huawei.feels like only Qualcomm & Huawei among the 4 that is well ahead of everyone else.
Don’t forget Broadcom. Apple actually just signed a deal with them to be the sole provider of modems for their phones. I recently started working for them.
That’s everything Wireless except the 2G/3G/4G/5G part. So what you are referring to is WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC, etc.
- Unisoc, GCT, Sequans, ASR Micro, Sony Semiconductor.
- Huawei
didn’t nokia make 5g stuff too?
5G modems:
Qualcomm.
Samsung.
Mediatek.
Huawei.
For UE’s. Other companies make the big antenna equivalents used in BTSes.