Or you can eat meat and tackle inequality. Doesn’t make a difference, ultimately, does it?
And ultimately it makes sense that if one is sacrificing eating meat for the environment, then it should be those that do the most harm to said environment that make said sacrifice first.
It makes the difference preventing the deaths of the animals and reduces water and land usage.
Rich people aren’t going to care unless their society expects them to do better. You’re not giving up anything when you stop eating meat, it’s quite the opposite really you’re much healthier on a whole foods plant-based diet as it increases life expectancy and reduces your risk for chronic illness.
Do not base your character by comparing yourself to the most morally reprehensible in our society.
It makes the difference preventing the deaths of the animals
I don’t care about that. Fundamentally in my view it’s okay to kill animals to eat them because they’re tasty. I don’t think you can really change that view.
and reduces water and land usage
I’ll be happy to make that sacrifice, but the impact to my quality of life will be disproportional compared to the actual savings incurred since compared to a billionaire I don’t consume or produce much environmental damage in the first place.
I’m already doing the most environmentally-sound thing one can do - be child-free. I’m trans so it was gonna happen either way but I’ll claim the points. I don’t drive either, not that I wouldn’t want a gas guzzling F-150 I don’t need to barrel down the crossing by the school in and grind away the plebs below, who wouldn’t? So that’s a helluva sacrifice too.
Therefore I see no reason why I should have to do anything to cover for them until they stop polluting. Fundamentally I see no reason to “save the earth” if we don’t have an egalitarian world worth fighting for, and all indicators point in the opposite direction at the moment.
You’re not giving up anything when you stop eating meat
False, eating meat is one of a few good things about being alive. You may not see it that way but it’s subjective. To me it’s a very significant sacrifice and a reduction in quality of life.
it’s quite the opposite really you’re much healthier on a whole foods plant-based diet
I don’t really care. I’m already doing far too much for my “health”, just so the bastards up top can exploit me into my elderly years instead of being some lead poisoned boomer who just chills out off their infinite house price raises and pensions going to conspiracy conventions or whatever it is they do.
Do not base your character by comparing yourself to the most morally reprehensible in our society.
There’s nothing morally wrong with eating meat in my view to start with so I don’t view any of this as morally reprehensible, it’s a sacrifice and a pretty big one, and living the working class life I already got jack and shit, so its not unfair that we get our fair share first. Then I’ll buy into sacrifices for a world worth saving.
I don’t care about that. Fundamentally in my view it’s okay to kill animals to eat them because they’re tasty. I don’t think you can really change that view.
That is incredibly selfish of you to say. You need to grow up and start caring about others. You sound like a sociopath. You wouldn’t like it if people say they didn’t care about trans people. So knock it off and be better. You have no right to participate and excuse the exploitation and murder of the animals. Many people have changed their minds after they saw the horrors what the animals have gone through.
I’ll be happy to make that sacrifice, but the impact to my quality of life will be disproportional compared to the actual savings incurred since compared to a billionaire I don’t consume or produce much environmental damage in the first place.
I’m already doing the most environmentally-sound thing one can do - be child-free. I’m trans so it was gonna happen either way but I’ll claim the points. I don’t drive either, not that I wouldn’t want a gas guzzling F-150 I don’t need to barrel down the crossing by the school in and grind away the plebs below, who wouldn’t? So that’s a helluva sacrifice too.
Therefore I see no reason why I should have to do anything to cover for them until they stop polluting. Fundamentally I see no reason to “save the earth” if we don’t have an egalitarian world worth fighting for, and all indicators point in the opposite direction at the moment.
That is whaboutism distracting from the real issue… did you know that factory farms workers are exploited relentlessly and it’s often poor folks who are of colour.
False, eating meat is one of a few good things about being alive. You may not see it that way but it’s subjective. To me it’s a very significant sacrifice and a reduction in quality of life.
I dont miss meat at all. There are plenty of tasty plant-based foods out there. You just need to try them out. Look at Turkurky, Impossible and Beyond for direct meat alternatives.
I don’t really care. I’m already doing far too much for my “health”, just so the bastards up top can exploit me into my elderly years instead of being some lead poisoned boomer who just chills out off their infinite house price raises and pensions going to conspiracy conventions or whatever it is they do.
Easy to say that when you’re healthier right now when you can still participate in your own hobbies. We don’t need selfish people like you putting extra strain on the healthcare system.
There’s nothing morally wrong with eating meat in my view to start with so I don’t view any of this as morally reprehensible, it’s a sacrifice and a pretty big one, and living the working class life I already got jack and shit, so its not unfair that we get our fair share first. Then I’ll buy into sacrifices for a world worth saving.
Just because it is enjoyable for you does not make it okay for you to exploit others. Rape is enjoyable for the perpetrators but we all know that isn’t a legitimate excuse.
No it isn’t. Animals aren’t people. Killing them for food is okay. Killing babies for abortion purposes is okay too. Killing people in self-defense or in a defensive war is okay.
You are the one who needs to grow up. To kill is to be human.
You need to grow up and start caring about others.
Yeah I do, other people, not literal farm animals.
You wouldn’t like it if people say they didn’t care about trans people
They don’t. Majority of the population of the UK is also against all fundamental trans rights that have already been present for decades. This isn’t the same though, people aren’t fucking animals, not even trans people.
Any discussion about human morals is fundamentally irrelevant.
So knock it off and be better. You have no right to participate and excuse the exploitation and murder of the animals. Many people have changed their minds after they saw the horrors what the animals have gone through.
I have seen it all and I don’t care. It’s not that I don’t have that reactionary emotional response like “oh this is horrible!” It’s that I realize such a response is illogical and when mediated through some thinking actually there’s not anything wrong with killing animals for food that I can think of apart from “that YouTube video looks unpleasant”.
You can’t win me over with optics grandstanding. If I actually think about it hell yeah let em mfers burn and churn lol, mommy needs her protein dust.
That is whaboutism distracting from the real issue… did you know that factory farms workers are exploited relentlessly and it’s often poor folks who are of colour.
No it’s not whataboutism, do you know what whataboutism is? It’s when you say something like:
That is whaboutism distracting from the real issue… did you know that
To shift the conversation from the IPCC report that you used in your already tangentially related cause from environmentalism to something entirely different based on moral grandstanding.
Nonetheless yes I know sweatshops exist. If those people weren’t working farms they’d be doing other hard manual labour. That’s not an issue that can be solved by “voting with your wallet” by not buying meat, nor is it anything exclusive to the food industry.
It’s very funny to accuse the other of whataboutism and then proceed to do it.
Like if I brought up that
Vegan leather is a massive contributor to microplastics and hasn’t saved any animals and they still die anyway, or the fact that
Pesticides necessary to sustain any large population of vegans causing extreme damage to the environment
Or the health issues of being vegan or
The many instances of vegans forcing obligate carnivore animals like cats to be vegan
health implications of meat replacements, not to mention it’s environmental impact and when you bring these up, vegans will say you just shouldn’t eat it that much. Not much of a replacement for something you can eat every day for the rest of your life then is it? Yikes. Speaking of:
I dont miss meat at all. There are plenty of tasty plant-based foods out there. You just need to try them out. Look at Turkurky, Impossible and Beyond for direct meat alternatives.
Yes, you and I are entirely different people. I love eating meat, almost every single one of my meals has red meat and has had since I was born, while if there was anything worthwhile to sacrififce my culture and diet for I’d do it, but as it stands I’m not doing so to make the air better for billionaires.
Easy to say that when you’re healthier right now when you can still participate in your own hobbies. We don’t need selfish people like you putting extra strain on the healthcare system.
I’ve contributed many times over my fair share to the healthcare system as an immigrant who has to pay the NHS Surcharge in the hundreds per year for years and now as a net tax contributor. If boomers can be a strain on it despite doing fuck all for anyone, then so can I, and I can’t wait. Sadly for me, I’m incredibly healthy, because eating meat isn’t unhealthy.
Just because it is enjoyable for you does not make it okay for you to exploit others. Rape is enjoyable for the perpetrators but we all know that isn’t a legitimate excuse.
Rape is wrong because it’s a violent act performed without a person’s consent.
Picking up my cat off my desk where he shouldn’t go without his consent is okay, because he’s not a person to begin with.
Eating animals without their consent is thus, okay, because they’re animals, not “others”, the food chain isn’t fucking rape jesus goddamn christ get a fucking grip.
Honestly how fucking dare you use rape for your own soapbox vegan preaching?
Go touch grass you absolute lunatic.
Eat a burger or something, get the juices flowing in your starved brain and fucking think before you write next time, nutter.
I like how you ignored everything I said about societal inequities lol.
You people are nutters, drinking from mushy straws isn’t gonna save us, nothing short from a global revolution will.
And even if it might soften the impact slightly let me state once more: I do not give a shit. Unless we burn the rich first, the earth can burn.
Bruh 💀
You can tackle inequality while being vegan 💀
Or you can eat meat and tackle inequality. Doesn’t make a difference, ultimately, does it?
And ultimately it makes sense that if one is sacrificing eating meat for the environment, then it should be those that do the most harm to said environment that make said sacrifice first.
It makes the difference preventing the deaths of the animals and reduces water and land usage.
Rich people aren’t going to care unless their society expects them to do better. You’re not giving up anything when you stop eating meat, it’s quite the opposite really you’re much healthier on a whole foods plant-based diet as it increases life expectancy and reduces your risk for chronic illness.
Do not base your character by comparing yourself to the most morally reprehensible in our society.
Be better than the rich and go vegan!
https://veganuary.com/try-vegan/
I don’t care about that. Fundamentally in my view it’s okay to kill animals to eat them because they’re tasty. I don’t think you can really change that view.
I’ll be happy to make that sacrifice, but the impact to my quality of life will be disproportional compared to the actual savings incurred since compared to a billionaire I don’t consume or produce much environmental damage in the first place.
I’m already doing the most environmentally-sound thing one can do - be child-free. I’m trans so it was gonna happen either way but I’ll claim the points. I don’t drive either, not that I wouldn’t want a gas guzzling F-150 I don’t need to barrel down the crossing by the school in and grind away the plebs below, who wouldn’t? So that’s a helluva sacrifice too.
Therefore I see no reason why I should have to do anything to cover for them until they stop polluting. Fundamentally I see no reason to “save the earth” if we don’t have an egalitarian world worth fighting for, and all indicators point in the opposite direction at the moment.
False, eating meat is one of a few good things about being alive. You may not see it that way but it’s subjective. To me it’s a very significant sacrifice and a reduction in quality of life.
I don’t really care. I’m already doing far too much for my “health”, just so the bastards up top can exploit me into my elderly years instead of being some lead poisoned boomer who just chills out off their infinite house price raises and pensions going to conspiracy conventions or whatever it is they do.
There’s nothing morally wrong with eating meat in my view to start with so I don’t view any of this as morally reprehensible, it’s a sacrifice and a pretty big one, and living the working class life I already got jack and shit, so its not unfair that we get our fair share first. Then I’ll buy into sacrifices for a world worth saving.
Pretty ignorant and arrogant of a response.
That is incredibly selfish of you to say. You need to grow up and start caring about others. You sound like a sociopath. You wouldn’t like it if people say they didn’t care about trans people. So knock it off and be better. You have no right to participate and excuse the exploitation and murder of the animals. Many people have changed their minds after they saw the horrors what the animals have gone through.
That is whaboutism distracting from the real issue… did you know that factory farms workers are exploited relentlessly and it’s often poor folks who are of colour.
I dont miss meat at all. There are plenty of tasty plant-based foods out there. You just need to try them out. Look at Turkurky, Impossible and Beyond for direct meat alternatives.
Easy to say that when you’re healthier right now when you can still participate in your own hobbies. We don’t need selfish people like you putting extra strain on the healthcare system.
Just because it is enjoyable for you does not make it okay for you to exploit others. Rape is enjoyable for the perpetrators but we all know that isn’t a legitimate excuse.
No it isn’t. Animals aren’t people. Killing them for food is okay. Killing babies for abortion purposes is okay too. Killing people in self-defense or in a defensive war is okay.
You are the one who needs to grow up. To kill is to be human.
Yeah I do, other people, not literal farm animals.
They don’t. Majority of the population of the UK is also against all fundamental trans rights that have already been present for decades. This isn’t the same though, people aren’t fucking animals, not even trans people.
Any discussion about human morals is fundamentally irrelevant.
I have seen it all and I don’t care. It’s not that I don’t have that reactionary emotional response like “oh this is horrible!” It’s that I realize such a response is illogical and when mediated through some thinking actually there’s not anything wrong with killing animals for food that I can think of apart from “that YouTube video looks unpleasant”.
You can’t win me over with optics grandstanding. If I actually think about it hell yeah let em mfers burn and churn lol, mommy needs her protein dust.
No it’s not whataboutism, do you know what whataboutism is? It’s when you say something like:
To shift the conversation from the IPCC report that you used in your already tangentially related cause from environmentalism to something entirely different based on moral grandstanding.
Nonetheless yes I know sweatshops exist. If those people weren’t working farms they’d be doing other hard manual labour. That’s not an issue that can be solved by “voting with your wallet” by not buying meat, nor is it anything exclusive to the food industry.
It’s very funny to accuse the other of whataboutism and then proceed to do it.
Like if I brought up that
Yes, you and I are entirely different people. I love eating meat, almost every single one of my meals has red meat and has had since I was born, while if there was anything worthwhile to sacrififce my culture and diet for I’d do it, but as it stands I’m not doing so to make the air better for billionaires.
I’ve contributed many times over my fair share to the healthcare system as an immigrant who has to pay the NHS Surcharge in the hundreds per year for years and now as a net tax contributor. If boomers can be a strain on it despite doing fuck all for anyone, then so can I, and I can’t wait. Sadly for me, I’m incredibly healthy, because eating meat isn’t unhealthy.
Rape is wrong because it’s a violent act performed without a person’s consent.
Picking up my cat off my desk where he shouldn’t go without his consent is okay, because he’s not a person to begin with.
Eating animals without their consent is thus, okay, because they’re animals, not “others”, the food chain isn’t fucking rape jesus goddamn christ get a fucking grip.
Honestly how fucking dare you use rape for your own soapbox vegan preaching?
Go touch grass you absolute lunatic.
Eat a burger or something, get the juices flowing in your starved brain and fucking think before you write next time, nutter.
lots of good points but a little mean.
8/10. would like to be friends.
where are all the animals that weren’t killed?