Tennessee Senate passes bill based on 'chemtrails' conspiracy theory: What to know
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The Tennessee Senate has passed a bill targeting "chemtrails." Why the conspiracy theory has been debunked and what's next.
  • partial_accumen@lemmy.world
    1092·
    8 个月前

    The law and its premise is nuts, lets just get that out of the way first.

    “The intentional injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances, or apparatus within the borders of this state into the atmosphere with the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of the sunlight is prohibited,” the bill reads.

    So on one hand this is a reading about banning any efforts of geoengineering. But modern day airplanes already dump “chemical compounds” into Tennessee airspace today as part of jet engine exhaust. The argument would be “oh, planes are okay because they’re not dumping to affect weather even though those gases are affecting the weather via climate change.” Doesn’t that argument open up license for anyone to dump whatever they want (including geoengineering materials) if they can claim that isn’t their primary purpose?

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.worldEnglish
      531·
      8 个月前

      I mean, planes already inject, release, or disperse a lot of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances into the atmosphere, namely CO2 and water, which is why there are contrails.

      Did Tennessee just ban airplanes?

      • kautau@lemmy.world
        391·
        7 个月前

        “With the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of sunlight.”

        I’m pretty sure they just made it so polluters are fine if the they are just doing it to pollute and don’t give a fuck about climate change

      • CraigeryTheKid@lemm.eeEnglish
        131·
        8 个月前

        *instructions unclear - CO2 emissions violate this new law; henceforth, airplanes are illegal in Tennessee

    • Paragone@lemmy.world
      112·
      7 个月前

      Damn.

      That is WAAAY moar worser…

      You know that tornadoes are already prevented through cloud-alteration, right?

      This would criminalize that?

      We need to criminalize incompetence-in-authority!!

    • Corhen@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      8 个月前

      wouldnt that be great! some local citizen should sue an airline, using this bill, for affecting the climate.

      • partial_accumen@lemmy.world
        61·
        7 个月前

        Reading comprehension: with the express purpose of… That’s not the express purpose of those planes.

        Critical thinking: the express purpose is whatever the creator/operator of the machine says it is.

        Jet engines on a plane’s express purpose is to create a high pressure jet of air out one side to propel the craft forward. However, jet engines express purpose can also used to put out oil well fires:

        What makes one vs the other? Whatever the creator and operator of the machine decides.

        Specifically about geoengineering,

        • There is a company releasing sulfur in geoengineering experiments source.

        • Spraying sulfur is also used in gardening to treat plant disease and pest control. source

        So if I say my “express purpose” of releasing sulfur is for plant disease and pest control, even though the other thing it could do would be geoengineering via the same release, I would be in compliance with the wording of the law yet still be geoengineering.

  • LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world
    911·
    7 个月前

    Fucking Chemtrails. I have MS and one of the times I was in a physical rehabilitation clinic, relearning how to walk, I had a nurse who believed in chemtrails. She asked if I realized that my MS was caused by chemtrails. I was taken aback. I was actively playing civ with a friend who heard my side of the conversation. After she said that, I had a short conversation with her about how chemtrails aren’t real. She said “Well I guess all those congressional hearings I watched were fake.” To which I said that we are never going to agree on this and it’s better to just stop talking so we don’t have an argument. She basically agreed and thankfully she was gone by the time I needed my MS meds that evening. Chemtrails are BS and yet so many people believe they’re real, even in professions that should understand they’re not real, that it is genuinely depressing.

      • SacralPlexus@lemmy.world
        50·
        7 个月前

        M.D. here and I feel like I should defend myself but all I can think of was this highly trained doc who fought the hospital administration about having to wear masks, in the hospital, during peak Covid. I mean he was actually one of many but what made him stand out was that his wife was in our ICU. With Covid. Yes he continued to fight masking even as his own wife was near death in the ICU.

        So, yeah.

        • bluemellophone@lemmy.worldEnglish
          111·
          7 个月前

          Well he can just fuck right off

          …like, out of the hospital

          …preferably out of his profession entirely, if possible

        • Ben Hur Horse Race@lemm.ee
          51·
          7 个月前

          its just there are over 20 currently agreed upon “types” of intelligence, so people can be very sharp in some ways and utterly hopeless in others.

          Most doctors are put together pretty well in my experience though

          • SacralPlexus@lemmy.world
            61·
            7 个月前

            You are so absolutely correct about this. This gentleman I refer to is actually a very smart guy in many ways. But say it with me folks: You are not immune to propaganda.

            This gentleman was drinking the Fox News tea big time and that’s where the anti-mask, anti-vaccine stuff was coming from. His training and years of knowledge just eventually got short circuited from the constant propaganda.

          • Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            7 个月前

            Weird having worked with them closely for almost twenty years in a hospital setting.

            I can say for many I met. They’re absolutely no better than the average person is “put together”. The only thing they tend to be superior at is memorization and recall.

        • BleatingZombie@lemmy.world
          51·
          7 个月前

          I hear stories like this and it’s hard for me to accept the fact that they’re stupid and not just truly evil

          • Ben Hur Horse Race@lemm.ee
            2·
            7 个月前

            honestly dude the older I get the more I learn a lot of behavior that seems hurtful is just coming from someone who DOES NOT pause to consider what its doing to someone else. its not that they dont care, its just it never dawns on them that its hurting others

      • BleatingZombie@lemmy.world
        6·
        7 个月前

        I had two CS professors who should NOT be asked about anything other than programing or math

        If it was something other than those two topics then you will almost certainly be given a confident, yet incorrect, answer

        • Cyanogenmon@lemmy.world
          2·
          7 个月前

          Sys admin here for quite some time.

          This is pretty typical in our field I’ve found, because that’s what it takes to move up in this field.

          Non-CS just believe the “oh you work with computers? So you must know how to hack Facebook” logic, so they have to either say they don’t know how and look stupid, or just rattle off some absolute bonkers shit that uses acronyms and such above the non-CSs head.

          This eventually bleeds into their reality and becomes a character trait.

          It’s more a human/culture problem than a CS problem but I get what you mean :)

    • Captain AggravatedEnglish
      20·
      7 个月前

      The doofy thing is neurotoxins in aviation engine fumes are 100% a real thing, but it’s not in the white lines you see behind jets, it’s from small planes burning leaded AVGAS. There’s a mandate to find a replacement for 100LL by 2030, but we’re still burning leaded gasoline in lots of GA planes.

      • LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world
        12·
        7 个月前

        Which is very characteristic of the Conspiracy minded, they occasionally have a kernel of truth and then turn it up to 11.

    • dantheclamman@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      15·
      7 个月前

      that’s disturbing, I’m very sorry you had to deal with that, having someone you were supposed to trust with your health, who suddenly pulled back the curtain and revealed themselves as an utter moron.

      • LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world
        182·
        7 个月前

        First off that article says nothing about MS increased rates anywhere. But also, it talks about something that happened from July 9, 1953 to Aug 1, 1953. It’s one instance of testing a chemical for the cold war that was for trying to determine how Nuclear Fallout would spread in the area. Also, worst of all, you said there was an increased rate of MS in Saskatchewan but then posted an article that talks about something that happened in Winnipeg, which last I checked, was in Manitoba not Saskatchewan.

        Edit: It does list an event that happened in Alberta but those were just claiming they could see some “distanctly visible emissions” but no study has shown any evidence for that being an actual chemical being ejected from the planes. There is also a supposed instance of it in St. Lois where they use just two people as evidence for it. It also talks about other tests the cia and other government agencies have done on the populace but none of those listed were a chemical dispersal except the original.

  • Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee
    571·
    8 个月前

    Breaking news: Party that built its entire platform on a stupid conspiracy theory now expanding platform to other stupid conspiracy theories.

  • NatakuNox@lemmy.world
    311·
    7 个月前

    Oh good. Mission accomplished. I guess they’ll have time now to go after the real issues, like… What’s inside everyone’s pants when going to the bathroom. Or making sure women don’t have access to health care when needed. Even ensuring priests are in every school…

    • rdyoung@lemmy.world
      31·
      8 个月前

      Not exactly. The issue is that we have let the idiot’s take control. We have let the idea of democracy and civility lead us to this mess. Those of us with working brains need to start yelling louder than the morons and tell them to sit down and shut the fuck up because the adults are taking back control.

      • rayyy@lemmy.world
        14·
        8 个月前

        You can’t control a cult because they reinforce each other constantly. It’s like trying to reform an alcoholic when all his friends, co-workers and associates are drunks and he lives right above a bar.

        • pezmaker
          5·
          7 个月前

          when all his friends, co-workers and associates are drunks and he lives right above a bar.

          Do you know me? I feel like you’re talking about me.

      • hypnotoad@lemmy.mlEnglish
        10·
        8 个月前

        Is it working?

        Or have we defunded education and science for 50 years, and now we have a nation of idiots?

  • bbuez@lemmy.world
    23·
    7 个月前

    Its about time, maybe now my wife will come back and listen to me knowing that we can finally live with clean air and no more frogs turnin gay

  • Rhaedas@fedia.io
    19·
    8 个月前

    The bill would have some merit if it just hadn’t tacked on the chemtrail nonsense. The issue of geoengineering and how one group or country’s activities can affect others negatively is valid concern, but it goes far beyond protecting a single state within its borders. Is Tennessee going to sue states west and south of them because weather movement there ends up spawning tornadoes in TN? The environment is shared, we all have to act together.

    • hypnotoad@lemmy.mlEnglish
      12·
      8 个月前

      Lol you assume they understand words, consequences, correlations, and causality. They understand nothing other than “what’s mine is mine and fuck you”

      This bill was nothing other than idiots discussing chemicals, we all know this, don’t pretend they were almost smart. They aren’t.

    • FlihpFlorp@lemm.eeEnglish
      5·
      8 个月前

      Everyone knows the weather is very polite and will respect the imaginary lines we drew /s

  • dynamojoe@lemmy.world
    181·
    8 个月前

    In related news, The boogeyman, Sasquach, and Godzilla are also forbidden to enter Tennessee. The rainbow has been officially reclaimed from the homosexuals that stole it from God, but the bill to build a wall to keep out the gay frogs died in committee over funding issues (Mexico refused to pay for it).

  • robocall@lemmy.world
    14·
    7 个月前

    Now can we pass some legislation preventing corruption? Or helping families with kitchen table economics? No? oh, okay.