• Murvel@lemm.ee
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      8 months ago

      Yeah… just saying that might have something to do with it. Or is it to your mind completely irrelevant…?

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        8 months ago

        It genuinely could be completely irrelevant. Was he suffering a psychotic episode during the attack?

        By saying “he stabbed people because he’s schizophrenic”, you’re grouping millions of innocent people in with a murderer in a way that is no more fair than the far-right scum who immediately say “I bet he’s a Muslim”.

        Not only does that discourage people from seeking help and turn them into pariahs, it contributes functionally nothing to our understanding of why this happened because not all mentally ill people are violent and not all violent people are mentally ill.

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          8 months ago

          Or, you know, his mental illnesses could be a factor…

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              8 months ago

              I really feel like it’s more common sense than anything else.

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                8 months ago

                A person who is mentally ill and has done violent things, doesn’t mean they did those violent things because of their illness.

                In fact, your “common sense” isn’t even supported by science.

                • Only 10-15% of schizophrenic people exhibit violent tendencies

                • Schizophrenic people living in communities are up to 14x more likely to be the victim of violence rather than the perpetrator

                • Finally, this is anecdotal, but for whatever it’s worth, I have multiple (3) friends who are schizophrenic and they are genuinely the kindest people I know, whether or not they are on their medication.

                Stop vilifying the mentally ill.

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                  8 months ago

                  Stop vilifying the mentally ill.

                  Everything is an offense, a battle to be won… just stop, breathe.

                  Right, so a schizophrenic commits violent murders, and your argument is that the mental illness is to be considered irrelevant?

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                    8 months ago

                    Please don’t tell me to stop and breathe, I’m fully calm in this discussion.

                    My argument is that no one in this thread is a psychologist who has evaluated the schizophrenic person. Not you, not me, not anyone else. We can speculate as to the cause, but making prescriptive statements like “he did this because he has schizophrenia” only serve to stigmatize the condition further when we truly have no idea if that was the cause.

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                  8 months ago

                  What? Racial profiling. What are you talking about?

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                    7 months ago

                    What are you talking about? You are demonizing mental illness despite people providing you with statistics to the contrary. You push this “they were mentally ill and that is why they did it” narrative despite not being a doctor, not being their doctor, not being involved with the investigation. Just stop.

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        May or may not be relevant. Statistically, people with illnesses like schizophrenia are no more likely to commit violent crimes than the general population (but are more likely to be victims of violent crimes). There are documented cases of people with schizophrenia killing or commiting other violent acts in response to delusions, but it’s usually in an act that they perceive as self-defense rather than being driven by malice or desire to harm. I.e., it’s generally more like “I killed my dad because he was going to kill me” rather than “I went out and murdered some random women because no women like me.”