• Murvel@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    Or, you know, his mental illnesses could be a factor…

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        8 months ago

        I really feel like it’s more common sense than anything else.

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          8 months ago

          A person who is mentally ill and has done violent things, doesn’t mean they did those violent things because of their illness.

          In fact, your “common sense” isn’t even supported by science.

          • Only 10-15% of schizophrenic people exhibit violent tendencies

          • Schizophrenic people living in communities are up to 14x more likely to be the victim of violence rather than the perpetrator

          • Finally, this is anecdotal, but for whatever it’s worth, I have multiple (3) friends who are schizophrenic and they are genuinely the kindest people I know, whether or not they are on their medication.

          Stop vilifying the mentally ill.

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            8 months ago

            Stop vilifying the mentally ill.

            Everything is an offense, a battle to be won… just stop, breathe.

            Right, so a schizophrenic commits violent murders, and your argument is that the mental illness is to be considered irrelevant?

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              8 months ago

              Please don’t tell me to stop and breathe, I’m fully calm in this discussion.

              My argument is that no one in this thread is a psychologist who has evaluated the schizophrenic person. Not you, not me, not anyone else. We can speculate as to the cause, but making prescriptive statements like “he did this because he has schizophrenia” only serve to stigmatize the condition further when we truly have no idea if that was the cause.

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                8 months ago

                I’m not talking about your calmness but your overreaction.

                You don’t need to be a psychologist to determine whether his mental illness was a factor. I’m not saying his mental illness was the reason.

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                  8 months ago

                  It’s not an overreaction. It’s a reaction to someone being ignorant and repeating the same thing over and over. And yes, you need to be a psychiatrist to determine that. Specifically, you need to be their psychiatrist. You don’t diagnose people off a news article. Stop it.

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                    8 months ago

                    Mentally ill man did insane thing. Could his illness be a factor? Yes, obviously!! Are you people for fucking real?!!

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                  8 months ago

                  You don’t need to be a psychologist to determine whether his mental illness was a factor.

                  I’m not saying his mental illness was the reason.

                  Please continue saying more contradictory statements.

                  If you think it could be a factor, then you think it might be a reason that he did this. It could be a factor, but again, neither of us are equipped to evaluate the mental status of someone based on news articles.

                  Edit: Factor =/= Reason. My argument in this message is flatly incorrect due to this, though I’ll leave it up.

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            8 months ago

            What? Racial profiling. What are you talking about?

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              7 months ago

              What are you talking about? You are demonizing mental illness despite people providing you with statistics to the contrary. You push this “they were mentally ill and that is why they did it” narrative despite not being a doctor, not being their doctor, not being involved with the investigation. Just stop.

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                7 months ago

                You are demonizing mental illness despite people providing you with statistics to the contrary. You push this “they were mentally ill and that is why they did it” narrative

                I never did that, I never said that. This made up outrage of yours speaks for itself, but it’s tiresome.

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                  7 months ago

                  All you are doing is exactly that. That is why I am calling you out. That is why the other person is calling you out.

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                    7 months ago

                    He/she rescinded their statement, we came to an agreement.

                    You however just seems to make things up for some reason.