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Pro-Palestinian voters are facing a moral dilemma.
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You vote with your heart for a party that reflects your values. Never align with what you think is the lesser of two evils. They are both still evil. This is the problem with what is essentially a two party system like they have in the US. Forget the consequences. If you don’t agree with the policies of the two main parties, then vote for a third that reflects your values. Years ago, here in Scotland, the SNP were regarded as a fringe movement only for them to gain power to a point where they acquired an over-all majority under a system of Proportional Representation (a system that makes gaining an over-all majority extremely difficult). How did this happen? Over time and under the realisation that the two main parties didn’t reflect people’s values, they chose instead to vote with their hearts. This lead to the opportunity in a 2014 referendum to become an independent country. Sadly, the population was duped and decided to stick with the devil they knew, but the fight goes on. People in the US need to do the same. Genocide is never acceptable. It is a red line. If you vote for a third party and Trump gets in then your conscience is clear and a message has been sent. Then the fight goes on and you deal with that problem next. It’s small steps, one stage at a time. Certain things have to be regarded as unacceptable. It’s a case of “Non Serviam” regardless of the conditions.
well put and one more thing:
People in the US need to do the same … If you vote for a third party and Trump gets in then your conscience is clear and a message has been sent.
the SNP is an example of why both democrats and republicans fight 3rd parties from gaining a foothold on the voting ballots using things like peer pressure; friendly judges to pass down rulings against 3rd parties on ballots; and voter suppression.
your vote matters and it’s most effective if you don’t do it the way they want you to; the lesser evil is still evil.
Yeah, they did that here in 2014 with peer pressure and the likes. The most ridiculous thing that occurred was “The Vow” which appeared two days before the referendum in the shittiest of shitty tabloid newspapers, promising the people of Scotland new powers, more say and the political equivalent of a goody bag. It was so cartoonish I didn’t think people would fall for it, but some did, and it was enough to swing the vote. Needless to say “The Vow” never came into effect. Surprise! Surprise!
Kamala’s not promising anything, let alone horeshit, so my prediction is sadly a Trump win.
Kamala’s not promising anything, let alone horeshit, so my prediction is sadly a Trump win.
only american liberals believe she’s going to win; but even then it’s clear that most of them can feel the anxiety about her projected loss and; to be fair; she does have a decent chance at winning if the polls are as wrong as they were in 2016.
given that they figured out the disconnects since then and 2020’s polls were spot on; i hope that the sense of mutual aid is as strong now as it was back in the 1980’s during the last our government did little more than a public show of support while idly allowing people to die by the thousands during the hiv/aids scare.
Vote for Harris to keep democracy, push for rcv/voting systems that make third parties feasible as ballot measures.
If Trump gets in there is no next step, we’re in Nazi America. Good luck to everyone who’s not a straight white Christian male. Palestinian genocide guaranteed to continue, Trump has stated that he’d advocate for Netanyahu going farther. Ukraine falls to Russian invasion and is genocided. DRPK starts fighting SK since we wont protect allies and Taiwan falls to mainland China. Domestically, trans people are genocided, women lose rights to birth control, child labor returns, nothing is done to mitigate climate change, rent prices, etc. The blood of millions on your hands, only way out is civil war. :Clear conscience" my ass.
every single one of my identities is targeted in project 2025 and living through the hiv/aid epidemic proves that we can survive through mutual aid. we’ve literally been doing it for centuries and we’ve thrived well enough to push public acceptance for our issues and without the help of the democrats or the republicans or even the american government.
they’re trotting us out like show horses to distract from the genocide and they will keep doing it until it stops working; don’t feed into it.
I think you’re being a bit over dramatic. The US is already fucked. It’s Rome before the fall. If Trump gets in the inevitable decline will only happen quicker. The Democrats are wolves in sheep’s clothing who merely slow this decline. A two party system controlled by the same lobbyists is only an illusion of democracy. Until the American people break out of that, there’s no hope. I don’t hold out much hope for America. The collapse has been on the cards for decades. A country gets the president it deserves. The US is built on greed, corruption, decadence, fraud and imperialist ideology. Everyone else in the world can see it for exactly what it is. Goodbye America. The experiment failed.
Trump was already president once does that mean its already nazi America?
Punishing Democrats is a bonus extra if Democrats actually cared about losing votes. For me a vote for Harris is a vote for genocide. That’s why I am voting for Jill Stein and the Green Party.
Note: anyone who goes “but Trump” is getting blocked. The Democrats had 12 months to stop the genocide and chose not to. Harris could have distanced herself from it and chose not to. The genocide is worse than the last time Trump was president. The only way liberals see Trump as worse than genocide is if they see us as less than people.
Also, Democrats had 12 months to decry and act on military responses to peaceful college protests.
Anybody who says “If Trump wins say goodbye to organizing” is outing themselves as someone who doesn’t organize, dems are complicit and supportive of the disproportionate response between leftist organizing and far right militant organizing.
I know the election cycle is artificially drawn out to induce political fatigue, but after the election we need to push for electoral reform at the state level so we can vote how we want.
Democracy is not voting for the least worst option. We can have democracy, if only we demand it.
