I think NDT is more skeptical than in denial. I think he was in Theories of Everything when he said his real problem is people who go from “we don’t know what that was” to “that was aliens”.

I enjoyed how much Curt pushed back on him. It reminded me of how J Allen Hynek pushed back against Sagan.

What I got most from his TOE interview is this is a man who gets really upset when you suggest he may not know something in a field he believes he is an expert in. I think if you showed him convincing proof of “something” he would want to know more. Until then, he’s not going to publicly change his position.

I agree with you. That’s my assessment as well.