He did address it. Inflation has returned to pre pandemic levels. If you bothered to look into it instead of repeating bullshit “facts”, you’d know that.
The problem? Americans don’t “feel” like it is better. “But prices didn’t go down!” No shit that’s not how inflation works.
So he didn’t make people feel inflation was behind them because prices aren’t down and your answer is “no shit? That’s not how inflation works?”
Because stop me if I’m wrong, but when prices go up and salaries don’t, then that’s having a lasting impact. And if you haven’t done anything about that lasting impact, you haven’t done enough, or convinced enough.
Anybody saying no shit too bad you’re too stupid to understand this deserves what they get.
I know I"ll get downvoted for saying this, but you’re right.
Stopping inflation without getting the prices to lower or the wages to raise is like…
Say you get stabbed by a psycho-killer, I shoot the killer in the fucking head and haul away his corpse.
Then I say “I have solved your stabbing issue” and call it a day.
This doesn’t change anything about the fact that at no point did I take you to the hospital to address the fact that you are bleeding out, and now you’re crawling around on the floor praying you can get to a phone to call 911 in time for the Ambulance to save your life.
Sure the killer’s gone, but I’ve done absolutely nothing about the fact that you’ve been stabbed and if you die I would then in fact be guilty of negligent homicide.
<.< You’re literally bitching that the thing that happened didn’t happen. I don’t have the answer you’re looking for, because it’s predicated on the thing that happened having not happened.
The lifeguard can’t save your son from drowning, he already did. I don’t know how else to say this.
Wait, you’re mad you didn’t get a good raise for a few years, and that’s somehow Biden’s fault?
Dude, greedy business owners keeping as much profit for themselves happens under every president.
I think you are confused as to what POTUS does. POTUS doesn’t set or approve your payroll.
Conservatives be all “market” this and “market” that. The markets biggest influences are on costs of goods and costs of labor, and when the market does what the markets gonna do, that’s the Democrats fault? Motherfucker, do you understand the society we live in?
I’m retired, I got a huge raise from Biden. Stop personalizing this, like I’m making an emotional plea. You got it wrong. Having the “facts” all lined up doesn’t win you the election, never will.
Fight for your faults and you get to keep them.
The job when running for president is to give people a vision of your leadership that excites them. If instead you spend your time and money against your opponentwithout making a case for yourself, you get lost elections.
Because stop me if I’m wrong, but when prices go up and salaries don’t, then that’s having a lasting impact. And if you haven’t done anything about that lasting impact, you haven’t done enough, or convinced enough.
Presidents don’t have a magic lever to adjust for price of goods or price of labor.
Price controls, rent controls, tariffs, company breakup, nationalization. Neoliberalism isn’t and hasn’t been the only state a capitalist economy can exist in.
Shockingly, being told you are doing better when you’re still paying more than you can afford for food and shelter doesn’t suddenly make it true and makes you mistrust the person telling you that.
Is the economy doing better on the macro scale? Yes, but when prices have only continued to increase from their COVID levels, the working class doesn’t see the improvement. We just keep seeing corps making record profits year after year while our savings (those of us who have any) disappears before our eyes.
Disregarding the feelings of the working class like you are doing is one of many reasons Harris lost. Feelings aren’t easily swayed by facts.
It might radicalize more people against the right, so we might get a net positive out of it.
But, yes we are in for some very bad times. It’s a shame Harris just assumed progressives would vote for her while she happily marched rightward to try and pull Republican votes she was never going to get. She could have won if she hadn’t taken progressives for granted.
Ok, so: from a perspective of someone passing by and reading your comments here, you seem, at least, in the context of this particular thread, to not know how you should be reacting to some fairly obvious facts that are being clearly presented to you 🤔
Address it? like by having the fastest recovering economy compared to every other country that was impacted by the global recession? Yeah, he should probably do something about it. /s
It’s like starting all over from the beginning talking to you.
Those “facts” are only good for getting ELECTED if they are effectively communicated to the everyday person. Most people DON’T read the Brookings Institution, look up Federal Reserve or Treasury pages, or even read the New York Times. You have to explain those things in layman’s terms and tell them what the benefits are to them in plain language.
You yelling at them (or me) for not being smart is not going to end up with you winning the election. You’ll have an excuse. But you’ll still lose.
Either you can find a way to appeal to the common man, or you can continue to have an excuse to lose. And you will continue to lose if you don’t change your ways.
By the way, I’ll say it again because you don’t seem to have read very far in this thread; I voted for Kamala, I didn’t want Trump to win, but I think we deserved to lose because we ran an awful campaign.
And the reality is that Harris lost because her messaging entirely failed to account for the pain voters are still feeling. It’s absolutely astounding that you’re not getting this.
The reality of election outcomes are entirely based on what voters believe.
Democrats are forever divided between two masters. They want to make voters happy, and they want to make their sponsors happy. The Harris campaign seemed to think they had the first part nailed down, so they spent the last month of a three month campaign super serving their donors.
Democratic consultants are notorious for running campaigns aimed at the Democratic consultant class, and they did it again. Nobody with any involvement in the Harris campaign should ever draw a salary from the Democratic party again, but Democrats just keep rewarding failure. The consultants who made a fortune running Hillary’s campaign came back and made another fortune running the Harris campaign. Harris may have lost, but they didn’t.
Harris lost because people would rather believe Trump’s comfortable lies than the uncomfortable truth. No decent, thinking person should ever vote for Trump. It’s absolutely astounding that you’re not getting this.
But I do get that. However, I’m not sure what you think we can do about it. We do have people in society that have the job of influencing voters to vote differently. We call them politicians, and they influence votes through something called an effective campaign. I know that’s a weird concept for a lot of Democrats to grasp, but you should look into it.
I’m totally on board in saying that the voting public fucked up. However, I’m looking for solutions, not just someone to blame. I do not and will not believe that the American public was just unreachable - especially when the Harris campaign had so many gaping flaws. Some of us were watching in horror as Harris sunk her campaign and trying desperately to wake someone up. It’s nice to think that voters will bypass a shitty campaign to find the relevant information themselves, but it’s hardly realistic.
Trump won in spite of being a convicted felon, fraud, and adjudicated rapist who nearly destroyed the country with his mishandling of the pandemic during his last presidency. The problem wasn’t Harris’s campaign.
It’s nice to think that voters will bypass a shitty campaign to find the relevant information themselves, but it’s hardly realistic.
There is no “the problem”. Societies and elections are too complicated for that kind of reductionist reasoning.
Take value judgements out of it, and the fundamental truth is that the Trump campaign attracted and energized more voters than the Harris campaign. What knobs and switches could we have played with to get a different outcome? That is all I care about, and I don’t know how we are supposed to get better voters in less than four years with Republicans in power.
That is literally the basis of democracy.
Which is why democracy and capitalism are fundamentally incompatible, but that’s a much deeper conversation.
No decent, thinking person should ever vote for Trump.
And about a million fewer people than last time did vote for him. Unfortunately Harris and her campaign failed in their messaging so hard that 14 million people who voted for Biden stayed home.
This should have been an easy win, but Harris chose to be pro-genocide and pro-corporate so people had to hold their nose and vote for her. Americans are sick and tired of choosing the slightly less shitty of two very shitty choices so 15 million previous voters stayed home.
No. As stated, the Harris campaign strategy was the problem. Fewer people voted for Trump this year than in 2020. Harris just drove more people away with her conservative strategy and coseying up to Israel
But Mr ivory tower is right. What do we do now that we know everyone really is too stupid to understand that? What do we do now that a bunch of ignorant assholes prefer the lies?
You treat them like people, and you find out what their needs are, what their fears are. And you address those. Not like Trump did. Not fanning the flames of their worst emotions. But leading them. Like Obama did. Like Kennedy did. Inspiring them that you can change their lives for the better.
When someone’s worried that they’re not able to feed the children and you’re talking about climate change, you sound incredibly out of touch. When people are working two jobs and still can’t pay the light bill, and you’re talking about trans rights, you sound incredibly out of touch.
People don’t hate addressing climate change. People don’t hate trans people’s rights. What they hate is being ignored for those things. And Trump pointed them at that and made them mad.
Democrats are not selling themselves as the party of the poor or the middle class. They are selling themselves as the party of the fringe and the universities - and the poor and middle class feel betrayed.
No doubt, building is a harder job than destroying. Breaking is easier than making.
But they’re both creative acts. They both “change things”. It’s on us to message the one that’s productive.
Kennedy said “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country!” Great speech phrasing, and he was an incredible speaker. But how do you sell that message?
You don’t ignore or disdain. You include. It’s hard damn work. But you can’t win assuming the voters will just “get it.”
Nope. He can do whatever and inflation erases all that and then some.
Take your statistics home and use them to line your hamster cage.
Ah yes, the inflation that started because of the pandemic, worldwide, all Bidens fault. Good job, you solved inflation!
If that was the case, address it. Somehow Biden et.al., thought ignoring it was fine and the people would understand.
That turned out to be not the case.
He did address it. Inflation has returned to pre pandemic levels. If you bothered to look into it instead of repeating bullshit “facts”, you’d know that.
The problem? Americans don’t “feel” like it is better. “But prices didn’t go down!” No shit that’s not how inflation works.
So he didn’t make people feel inflation was behind them because prices aren’t down and your answer is “no shit? That’s not how inflation works?”
Because stop me if I’m wrong, but when prices go up and salaries don’t, then that’s having a lasting impact. And if you haven’t done anything about that lasting impact, you haven’t done enough, or convinced enough.
Anybody saying no shit too bad you’re too stupid to understand this deserves what they get.
I know I"ll get downvoted for saying this, but you’re right.
Stopping inflation without getting the prices to lower or the wages to raise is like…
Say you get stabbed by a psycho-killer, I shoot the killer in the fucking head and haul away his corpse.
Then I say “I have solved your stabbing issue” and call it a day.
This doesn’t change anything about the fact that at no point did I take you to the hospital to address the fact that you are bleeding out, and now you’re crawling around on the floor praying you can get to a phone to call 911 in time for the Ambulance to save your life.
Sure the killer’s gone, but I’ve done absolutely nothing about the fact that you’ve been stabbed and if you die I would then in fact be guilty of negligent homicide.
<.< You’re literally bitching that the thing that happened didn’t happen. I don’t have the answer you’re looking for, because it’s predicated on the thing that happened having not happened.
The lifeguard can’t save your son from drowning, he already did. I don’t know how else to say this.
It’s all about communication, not facts. That’s what you refuse to acknowledge.
God you must be tired with all that goalpost moving.
Same message all the way through. You can be right, but if you don’t communicate that adequately to the common people, you’ll lose.
Wait, you’re mad you didn’t get a good raise for a few years, and that’s somehow Biden’s fault?
Dude, greedy business owners keeping as much profit for themselves happens under every president.
I think you are confused as to what POTUS does. POTUS doesn’t set or approve your payroll.
Conservatives be all “market” this and “market” that. The markets biggest influences are on costs of goods and costs of labor, and when the market does what the markets gonna do, that’s the Democrats fault? Motherfucker, do you understand the society we live in?
I’m retired, I got a huge raise from Biden. Stop personalizing this, like I’m making an emotional plea. You got it wrong. Having the “facts” all lined up doesn’t win you the election, never will.
Fight for your faults and you get to keep them.
The job when running for president is to give people a vision of your leadership that excites them. If instead you spend your time and money against your opponent without making a case for yourself, you get lost elections.
Presidents don’t have a magic lever to adjust for price of goods or price of labor.
They can implement price controls via executive order. They can also remove tariffs.
Remove the 25% tariff on Chinese goods, and then set prices of the biggest offenders to something punishing and watch the rest stop jacking up prices.
Price controls, rent controls, tariffs, company breakup, nationalization. Neoliberalism isn’t and hasn’t been the only state a capitalist economy can exist in.
Bully Pulpit. That’s what you’ve got. So preach.
Apparently none of the facts here can stop you from just oozing your feelings. So We don’t really see the point in trying.
Didn’t stop the voters’ feelings either.
Shockingly, being told you are doing better when you’re still paying more than you can afford for food and shelter doesn’t suddenly make it true and makes you mistrust the person telling you that.
Is the economy doing better on the macro scale? Yes, but when prices have only continued to increase from their COVID levels, the working class doesn’t see the improvement. We just keep seeing corps making record profits year after year while our savings (those of us who have any) disappears before our eyes.
Disregarding the feelings of the working class like you are doing is one of many reasons Harris lost. Feelings aren’t easily swayed by facts.
That’s propaganda at work. don’t worry, I’m certain this will all get better in six months when the prices double.
It might radicalize more people against the right, so we might get a net positive out of it.
But, yes we are in for some very bad times. It’s a shame Harris just assumed progressives would vote for her while she happily marched rightward to try and pull Republican votes she was never going to get. She could have won if she hadn’t taken progressives for granted.
I’m just hoping the same stupid smart people who don’t recognize mass communication don’t get it wrong again next election.
Conversing with y’all, I’m not feeling hopeful.
BTW, didn’t want Trump, voted for Kamala, but I still think we deserved to lose. Our campaign sucked.
Ok, so: from a perspective of someone passing by and reading your comments here, you seem, at least, in the context of this particular thread, to not know how you should be reacting to some fairly obvious facts that are being clearly presented to you 🤔
Read more.
Or don’t. If that’s what you got so far I’m not sure you’ll do any better.
Address it? like by having the fastest recovering economy compared to every other country that was impacted by the global recession? Yeah, he should probably do something about it. /s
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-us-recovery-from-covid-19-in-international-comparison/
https://home.treasury.gov/news/featured-stories/the-us-economic-recovery-in-international-context-2023
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/why-is-the-u-s-gdp-recovering-faster-than-other-advanced-economies-20240517.html
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/why-is-the-u-s-gdp-recovering-faster-than-other-advanced-economies-20240517.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/us/politics/inflation-biden-economy.html
but don’t let facts get in the way
It’s like starting all over from the beginning talking to you.
Those “facts” are only good for getting ELECTED if they are effectively communicated to the everyday person. Most people DON’T read the Brookings Institution, look up Federal Reserve or Treasury pages, or even read the New York Times. You have to explain those things in layman’s terms and tell them what the benefits are to them in plain language.
You yelling at them (or me) for not being smart is not going to end up with you winning the election. You’ll have an excuse. But you’ll still lose.
Either you can find a way to appeal to the common man, or you can continue to have an excuse to lose. And you will continue to lose if you don’t change your ways.
By the way, I’ll say it again because you don’t seem to have read very far in this thread; I voted for Kamala, I didn’t want Trump to win, but I think we deserved to lose because we ran an awful campaign.
Biden’s labor report card: Historian gives ‘Union Joe’ a higher grade than any president since FDR
https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/05/bidens-labor-report-card-historian-gives-union-joe-higher-grade-any-president-fdr/397002/
Intellectual says he did a great job. Everybody on the couch with a Duff beer stand and bow before the great truth!
you’re not even using the meme right
The nice thing about reality is that it’s the same whether or not you believe it.
And the reality is that Harris lost because her messaging entirely failed to account for the pain voters are still feeling. It’s absolutely astounding that you’re not getting this.
The reality of election outcomes are entirely based on what voters believe.
Democrats are forever divided between two masters. They want to make voters happy, and they want to make their sponsors happy. The Harris campaign seemed to think they had the first part nailed down, so they spent the last month of a three month campaign super serving their donors.
Democratic consultants are notorious for running campaigns aimed at the Democratic consultant class, and they did it again. Nobody with any involvement in the Harris campaign should ever draw a salary from the Democratic party again, but Democrats just keep rewarding failure. The consultants who made a fortune running Hillary’s campaign came back and made another fortune running the Harris campaign. Harris may have lost, but they didn’t.
Harris lost because people would rather believe Trump’s comfortable lies than the uncomfortable truth. No decent, thinking person should ever vote for Trump. It’s absolutely astounding that you’re not getting this.
The uncomfortable truth is that capitalism doesn’t provide for all. Yet biden and Harris want to gaslight the populace that everything is doing great.
But I do get that. However, I’m not sure what you think we can do about it. We do have people in society that have the job of influencing voters to vote differently. We call them politicians, and they influence votes through something called an effective campaign. I know that’s a weird concept for a lot of Democrats to grasp, but you should look into it.
I’m totally on board in saying that the voting public fucked up. However, I’m looking for solutions, not just someone to blame. I do not and will not believe that the American public was just unreachable - especially when the Harris campaign had so many gaping flaws. Some of us were watching in horror as Harris sunk her campaign and trying desperately to wake someone up. It’s nice to think that voters will bypass a shitty campaign to find the relevant information themselves, but it’s hardly realistic.
Trump won in spite of being a convicted felon, fraud, and adjudicated rapist who nearly destroyed the country with his mishandling of the pandemic during his last presidency. The problem wasn’t Harris’s campaign.
That is literally the basis of democracy.
There is no “the problem”. Societies and elections are too complicated for that kind of reductionist reasoning.
Take value judgements out of it, and the fundamental truth is that the Trump campaign attracted and energized more voters than the Harris campaign. What knobs and switches could we have played with to get a different outcome? That is all I care about, and I don’t know how we are supposed to get better voters in less than four years with Republicans in power.
Which is why democracy and capitalism are fundamentally incompatible, but that’s a much deeper conversation.
And about a million fewer people than last time did vote for him. Unfortunately Harris and her campaign failed in their messaging so hard that 14 million people who voted for Biden stayed home.
This should have been an easy win, but Harris chose to be pro-genocide and pro-corporate so people had to hold their nose and vote for her. Americans are sick and tired of choosing the slightly less shitty of two very shitty choices so 15 million previous voters stayed home.
Between 70+ million who voted for Trump and 14 million who were apathetic, I think the bigger group is the bigger problem.
No. As stated, the Harris campaign strategy was the problem. Fewer people voted for Trump this year than in 2020. Harris just drove more people away with her conservative strategy and coseying up to Israel
Yes. As long as you recognize that the reality you just spoke of is that one guy in an ivory tower thought Biden did a good job.
But Mr ivory tower is right. What do we do now that we know everyone really is too stupid to understand that? What do we do now that a bunch of ignorant assholes prefer the lies?
If you’re suffering, it’s because you’re stupid. Vote for us!
Well to start with you don’t disdain them.
You treat them like people, and you find out what their needs are, what their fears are. And you address those. Not like Trump did. Not fanning the flames of their worst emotions. But leading them. Like Obama did. Like Kennedy did. Inspiring them that you can change their lives for the better.
When someone’s worried that they’re not able to feed the children and you’re talking about climate change, you sound incredibly out of touch. When people are working two jobs and still can’t pay the light bill, and you’re talking about trans rights, you sound incredibly out of touch.
People don’t hate addressing climate change. People don’t hate trans people’s rights. What they hate is being ignored for those things. And Trump pointed them at that and made them mad.
Democrats are not selling themselves as the party of the poor or the middle class. They are selling themselves as the party of the fringe and the universities - and the poor and middle class feel betrayed.
You’re forgetting the part where they prefer the lies.
Turns out Carl Sagan’s are rare, but practically anyone can be an Alex Jones.
No doubt, building is a harder job than destroying. Breaking is easier than making.
But they’re both creative acts. They both “change things”. It’s on us to message the one that’s productive.
Kennedy said “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country!” Great speech phrasing, and he was an incredible speaker. But how do you sell that message?
You don’t ignore or disdain. You include. It’s hard damn work. But you can’t win assuming the voters will just “get it.”