Lakeland woman was charged Tuesday after police said she ended a call to an insurance company with the words, “Delay, Deny, Depose.”

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    They set $100K bond and she could get a 15 year prison sentence!?!?!? That’s insane. Far far out of proportion to what she said. Obviously there’s no way she is any kind of a threat to anyone and they know it. But they’re going to fuck her over to make an example of her. What a dystopia we’re living in.

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      It feels like the elites “putting us in our place”. This is a form of torture, a sentence or threat of a sentence that is far too strict for the crime. Publicize it so the masses can see.

      Feels like they’re trying to show us what happens when we get uppity with the billionaire class.

      Hopefully I’m wrong. Hopefully there’s still rule of law, a judge throws it out, and maybe she can sue. Time will tell.

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        Unless there was an actual threat (I’m lazy I can’t be bothered to read the article. That’s why I’m in the comments) , deny delay depose isn’t a threat in any way. It’s a tactic that insurance agents use to boost profits. Saying that is merely showing your disgust with the practice.

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          “Delay, Deny, Defend” is the health insurance tactic a book was written about. You will notice there is a key difference between those words and what was said on the phone call.

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            The difference being a word that typically means remove from power. Not a threat. Any lawyer can get the case dismissed by showing the book with the original words in court and argue it’s a natural play on words anyone could come up with.

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              I was specifically correcting their impression that it was the health insurers’ slogan, rather than a reference to the shooting

              But since you were also too lazy to read the article, it’s what was said next that really contributes to a threat

              Near the end of the call, investigators said Boston could be heard stating, “Delay, Deny, Depose. You people are next.”

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          How is “delay, deny, depose” not a threat with current events? C’mon, that’s disingenuous.

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            It really is not, it doesn’t say that she will do the violence, merely that it may occur. It’s the same as the difference between ‘I will kill you!’ and ‘I hope you die!’

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            Lets say it is (it isn’t), why don’t you have the same kind of energy towards the people who have coined it as a tactic to deny people their healthcare and have taken thousands if not millions of lives as a result, and destroyed millions more, as you do for their victim who is turning their own phrase (so without the system to implement it like they do) back on them?

            It’s because the taste of boot is just too appealing to some, and you can’t help but fight in your oppressors corner, defending them, as if one day they’ll notice you and be grateful for your loyalty and take you in and treat you like one of their own (or at least come for those not licking boot before they come for you). Your indoctrinated brain might be telling you you’re acting in your own best interest, but by doing it at the expense of your fellow working class people, you are exclusively serving those in power.

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              Why are you making any assumptions about what energy I have? I’m not defending health insurance here, mate.

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              Yeah, that’s why everybody’s been saying those words lately, because of a book that came out 14 years ago, and definitely not because of anything more recent and more notable. Right.

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            And you should stop licking boot so hard… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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              I’m a bootlicker for telling people to read the thing that they’re commenting on?

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            “Delay, Deny, Depose. You people are next.” isn’t exactly a threat. Definitely not something that someone ought to be arrested for.

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            As someone else said, sounds like a prediction, not a threat. To arrest a mother, who doesn’t own a weapon and has no criminal record, it’s insane to use that as justification for incarceration.

            How do those boots taste?

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              If I told you I was going to shoot you, would you have any way to immediately validate that threat? Do you know if I own a gun? Can you find out in a reasonable time to defend yourself if I was being serious with such a threat? Whether or not she can carry out the threat is irrelevant to the threat being made.

              How do those boots taste?

              Congratulations on falling for the corpo propaganda and thinking that we should be fighting amongst ourselves.

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                Regarding corporations promoting infighting: I’m defending the person who challenged the corporation. You’re defending the corporation. Jesus Christ dude

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                  lmfao what? How do you think I’m defending a corporation? By explaining how threats work? Are you really that desperate to find a boogeyman that you’ll cannibalize your own team to get there? This lady made a threat, no matter how badly you may want to pretend otherwise. You may or may not think it’s wrong for her to have done so, but if you disagree that she did it, then you’re being willfully ignorant.

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                If you said “I’m gonna be the cause of you being next”, that’s a threat. “You’re next” is not a threat. Also, next to what? Any good lawyer is gonna have a field day with this.

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                  “You’re next” is not a threat.

                  Contextually, it 100% is a threat. She preceded “You people are next” with the same message left behind by Mangione at the scene of the murder, a recent event that everybody involved in the conversation was aware of. Sure, if that statement existed in a vacuum, it’d be an open-and-shut case, but it was part of a larger conversation.

                  Also:

                  she reportedly admitted to using those words during the call, telling detectives that “healthcare companies played games and deserved karma from the world because they are evil.”

                  So yeah… she’s gonna need a really good lawyer.

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        The woman just means that the people she was talking to will be screwed over by insurance too.

        She was saying we’re all in this together, basically!

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        She doesn’t even own a gun and seems to pose little tangible threat, yet they’re claiming intent to commit mass murder or terrorism. Its a ridiculous stretch from that little comment

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    What fucking hellscape are we living in? Even referencing the strategy of billion dollar insurance companies gets you arrested? I’m literally at my limit with how insane this has gotten.

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      She was referencing words etched onto bullets that killed a healthcare CEO.

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          The first amendment does not mean you can say anything you like, despite what people like to make of it.

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    Somebody ought to rally like a million people to all call their insurance company on the same day and just say delay, deny, depose. If so many people do it, and they try to arrest everybody, they would be absolutely overwhelmed.

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      Careful tempting the state into violence - you might be surprised to the depths they’re willing to sink to and for how little. Nixon had the state guard execute peaceful student protesters - American kids!

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    No, see, everyone is misunderstanding. She was threatening to commit mass murder by starting her own health insurance company and using the tried and true Delay, Deny, Depose method of profiting from murder.