• threelonmusketeers
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    2 days ago

    So cool to see the drilling/grinding process!

    Why does the dust appear green? Are Mars rocks red on the outside and green on the inside, like some sort of reverse watermelon?

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      2 days ago

      I found the dossier documents I referred to in my last reply

      Here is the link to the Planetary Data System (PDS) page that addresses the M2020 Sample Dossiers prepared and issued by JPL.

      If you’ve not already read these treasure troves, I suspect you’ll need to assign a good few hours to digest their contents. The reports have been collated and updated throughout the last couple of years, but the PDS page has the versions available at this time, further collections will be added to the bundle at future dates and some bundles will be updated from time to time, so visit the page often if you find the reports interesting.

      Note that the PDF’s in the 'Initial Reposts section are quite large. They do carry a warning: The Initial Reports are near-real-time records of activities surrounding sample acquisition, analogous to field notes. They are preliminary, and the interpretations and even some of the underlying measurements will be revised and described more fully in detailed follow-on publications.

      LINK: https://pds-geosciences.wustl.edu/missions/mars2020/returned_sample_science.htm

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      2 days ago

      I realise that they call the images on the mission server ‘Raw’ but these are not raw images, but automatically processed images by JPL or ASU, and then placed on the server. All those images need to be properly calibrated before being used for science. Many of the green hues we see on these images are likely associated with the Bayer filter on the CCDs used in the colour cameras for the mars missions. The way it was explained to me is that they all use RGGB Bayer filters i.e. an array of red, green and blue sensors, but note that there are two letter “G’s” in the ‘RGGB’, this means the CCD has a grid composed of 50% green sensors, 25% red and 25% blue. This leads to an over saturation of green in most of the colour images. There may well be amounts of green materials (eg olivine) in some abrasion patches that are imaged using the white LEDs after sunset, but when you see the calibrated images in science papers etc there is far less green. I’ll see if I can find links to the PDF’s that show calibrated close ups of abraded patches :)

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    4 days ago

    Are the “melting” rocks to the right, the result of heavy compression or did they use an LLM to generate missing image areas?

    It is still great to see the in action (on Mars).

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      did they use an LLM

      It would be a bit strange to use a language model on an image. A diffusion model would be more appropriate. That said, I think Hammond’s explanation is most likely.

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      I don’t believe there is any interpolation between frames. The entire sequence consists of 22 images acquired over a roughly 20 minute period. I believe the melting effect you’re referring to could the loose regolith dropping into the fractures between the plates. In addition the original was an MP4 file (see link in the post). This Lemmy instance does not support MP4 uploads so I had to convert it to a GIF, there could be some image artifacts from that conversion process, so try watching the original MP4 animation in the link :) Or check the original HazCam images on the mission image server.

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      As Paul Hammond mentions, the “melting” is due to material sliding downhill. During the abrasion, which works partly by percussion, you can actually see a pebble sliding downhill (between this frame and this frame, which were taken only one minute apart), to the bottom right of the abrasion bit itself (near the centre of the image).

      It’s not always apparent from the images, but the rover is currently on a fairly steep slope; we’re still parked on the exterior/outboard side of the Jezero Crater rim. I wonder how difficult it would be to make the 3D images I used to see from earlier rover missions…

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          Thank you! I’ve seen some of these before when looking at 3D models of the abrasion patches, but those shape models are quite useful in general.

          I was thinking specifically of the “anaglyph” images we used to get from the MER PanCams and NavCams (such as the “Legacy Pan” from Opportunity). Even individual 3D frames could be quite mind-blowing in demonstrating the true ruggedness of those landscapes. The environments in and around Jezero, let alone Mt. Sharp, can’t be any less rugged than those were.

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            We used to get get occasional post drive red/cyan 3D anaglyphs from JPL for MSL, but it looks like they got dropped when they redesigned their web pages as I can’t find them now.

            As far as M2020 goes, converting the wide angle lenses of the NavCams will likely be hard? But in the next weeks I’ll have a go. In the past folk don’t appreciate the red/cyan anaglyphs, but that was in the days of Reddit, so if I can make any we’ll see how they go down :)

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              Hahaha I hear you, Paul. In the end, I’m just going to have to bite the bullet and learn how to work with images myself. I didn’t mean to put everything off onto you 😄

              As for people not appreciating the images, or the general stream of information from the rover(s), I’m proceeding on the theory that it’s hard to appreciate what these missions do without the context being readily available. Even in sifting through aaaall the images I needed to assemble my overview of the abrasion patches, I could see that I needed to rapidly compare and contrast several different abrasion sites to get a quick visual feel for the differences between them. And if someone like me feels this way, I can only imagine how difficult it might be for the casual social media user to see how exciting “another red rock” might be. Geologists aren’t always the best at outreach, but I believe the attempt is worth it in my case.

              I can’t help with the 3D images just yet, but I’ll see what I can do after I post my overview.