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A disturbing number of TikTok videos about autism include claims that are “patently false,” study finds::A recent study published in the Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders found that a significant majority (73%) of informational videos on TikTok tagged with “#Autism” contain inaccurate or overgeneralized information about autism. Despite the prevalence of misinformation, these videos have amassed billions of views, highlighting the potential for widespread misconceptions about autism on the platform. …
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It disturbs me that people would consider TikTok an accurate source of…anything.
The bar is so low. I remember my old roommates from Uni. If there was any disagreement about a thing, they’d whip out their phone, find any article that remotely supports their claim and that was it. You’re wrong. A case in point was using reg dishwashing soap in a dishwasher (I told them all not to). They couldn’t really find anything on Google so they just said it was fine.
The future looks as bright as mud.
Fact checking. Never heard of it.
I had someone yesterday claim I was wrong about a pretty complicated scientific thing but they were vague and didn’t say why I was wrong.
I have a background in that topic, so it only took a second to find a scientific study to back me up…
They immediately replied with an article that had nothing to do with what anyone was talking about, and when I told them that, they refused to explain what was relevant, called me rude, and blocked me.
Their mind was made up, and they just picked the first result off whatever they googled and assumed it backed them up.
Idiots “doing their own research” rarely works out well, they’re not trying to learn anything, just win an argument they don’t understand
By the way, I’ve seen Google displaying halucinated AI written articles as the main, highlited result.
Yep, ask Google something like “water causes covid” and you’ll likely get some idiot saying water causing COVID because that matches your search.
Do you happen to remember the search query? This is very interesting
This is perpetuated by some shitty internet personalities too.
“You will NEVER believe it, this study peer reviewed paper TOTALY DEBUNKS !!!”
(links to a paper that indicates the exact opposite of that)
Sounds about right Glares in existential horror at flat earthers
just win an argument
That’s the problem.
We humans have goals, as in “satisfaction from winning”, or as in “solace from reaching some idea the correct way so it’d likely be true”.
Theirs is not to be correct, it’s to defeat you, to win, to dominate etc.
A conversation where your counterpart see themselves as your opponent just should end once you see that. Also it would be fair to inform them that this is ape behavior, but sometimes unwise sadly.
Also the approach that an argument as in “opposition to each other” leads to truth is more or less the same thing as dialectics. And dialectics do not have any scientific value (we are not pursuing studies of “scientific communism” here).
As someone who remembers the days before the internet, that’s 1000x better than our method of just believing whoever seemed the most sure. We weren’t running down to the library 10 times a day to find quality sources for information, we just didn’t know things. When did that person die? Who knows. Is it safe to mix these chemicals? Try it and see.
Old wives tales and superstition were responsible for at least 60% of all decision making.
I don’t know about this. Not knowing is better than knowing wrong things imo. The internet has made too many idiots, not smarter, but just more sure of their idiocy.
Stupid people still believe in stupid things, that’s not changed, the difference now is there is a sea of reputable sources for smart people.
It’s amazing how many times my mum comes out with something that I look up and it’s an old wives tale that has half the data right but exaggerates the consequences to an insane degree. The other day it was because she was moaning at my old man about puttin half full tins back in the fridge to finish the next day. She was convinced metal can oxidise and leech into the food, which is true, if you leave the can in there open for about a year, lol.
using reg dishwashing soap in a dishwasher
At least that’s a mistake they’ll (probably) only make once.
I admire your optimism.
Sorry, what’s the problem with dishwasher soap? Isn’t it meant to be specifically used in a dishwasher? Or does “regular dishwashing soap” refer to detergent? Sorry, I am just confused.
OP meant regular washing-up detergent. It’s usually sold as “super-concentrated” so if you put it in a dishwasher the agitation and extra water make a LOT of foam. Usually it will start to pour out of the machine and make a massive mess.
There’s soap for hand wash, “dish soap”.
Then there’s “dishwashing detergent” that goes in dishwashers.
“Dish soap” is made to make bubbles when hand washing, but it in a machine and you’ll have a foam party
Reminds me of the time that I desperately needed to make a latte but discovered I was out of milk. Rather than doing the smart thing and giving up I searched online to find out if sour cream can somehow be used as a substitute.
Turns out you can’t trust a single article in a sea of emptiness
It’s the way search engines work.
Phrase a question wrong, and you’ll get shitty results that agree.
Like Google “what causes an upset stomach” would probably give good results. Google “water causes upset stomach” because you think water causes it, and you’ll get results about water causing an upset stomach. Even if that’s not the cause in your situation
I once subbed ghee for butter when making icing for a cake. My logic was that ghee is just clarified butter. That may be true, but it tasted awful. I’m worried now that this comment will somehow find its way into an AI nugget recommending ghee as a butter substitute. It isn’t! Don’t do it! (Delicious for curries though.)
You can swap between the two for most baking if the it’s going to be paired with a lot of flavour. Pizza dough, naan, etc. But as a base for something, yeah, I wouldn’t 😆
Exactly. A lot of savoury flavour. Not sweet, never sweet. The icing was ginger, the spice didn’t help.
As I understand it, one could use butter as a creamer substitute, but I don’t drink coffee, and I doubt that you could make a latte with it, just based on my culinary experience.
A case in point was using reg dishwashing soap in a dishwasher (I told them all not to). They couldn’t really find anything on Google so they just said it was fine.
The good thing about that particular misapprehension is that it is very quickly self correcting.
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LOL - sink dish soap in the dishwasher!
I have made that error once… Lucy, you got some ‘splainin’ to do!
I don’t need the "splainin’, but I ain’t cleaning that up, especially if I already warned you what would happen
It’s an increasingly popular first search goto for basic research for a lot of people. YouTube was like that for a long time in the same way Amazon is for product searches.
Not a great trend.
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Find me a better source of information on defense economics than Perun. He is considered the pinnacle unless you want to wade through multi-hundred long pages of heavily redacted DoD reports yourself.
The fact is, long-form YouTube content has the ability to be incredibly informative in a way that purely short-form TikToks cannot.
It’s Sturgeon’s Law.
I feel Sturgeon’s pain. Was just in an old book shop that had every genre imaginable including even cookbooks and weird old junk books about the paranormal and casting spells, trashy romance stuff, old historical records, all sorts of random crap. I asked if there were any science fiction or fantasy books. Owner of store: no we don’t stock that stuff, we only stock things of literary value.
Alright buddy, geeze. Yeah no sicence fiction or fantasy of any literary value was ever written I guess.
Great to know! Now do ADHD.
I’m getting kinda tired of being flooded with ADHD memes that are just like, “I sometimes get distracted” or, “I don’t like doing chores”.
And the amount of “omg I stimmed in this public place!” That are then videos of them just being dicks and pretending that this “uncontrollable movement” knocked something over.
And the amount of patently fake DID tiktoks, ugh. I moved over to YouTube shorts mostly for other reasons but there are way less of those things going on there.
I knock over shit with uncontrolled movement all the time, but I’m not gonna pretend that it’s either stimming or uncontrollable. It’s just the usual “brain lost track of one sub-process of movement again” that happens with ADHD.
My stimming is usually bouncing my leg, tapping a rhythm on something or unconsciously mouthing the lyrics of some song. I’m aware particularly the latter may be disconcerting to some people, but it’s a far cry from being a dick.
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This is exactly it. I get so tired of hearing people say shit like “I forgot. I’m so adhd.” or “Everyone’s a little adhd.” No, you’re/they’re not and you apparently don’t even know what it is or you wouldn’t say things like that.
. I didn’t get diagnosed until a year after college and started medication soon after. My god it was like night and day
I always joke that diagnosis would be much easier if everyone was just given a bit of adderall and see how they respond. Bouncing off the walls? Normie. Finally finishes their taxes? ADHD.
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I hear stories like this and I’m still searching for the one that will do this for me. I think I’m on #4 now. Fingers crossed!
Adderall makes nearly everyone work-motivated. That’s why college students abuse it when studying/writing, and why the old don’t-do-meth commercials used to describe people cleaning their spotless houses.
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I understand that it can be annoying, but I personally find the adhd memes pretty funny and relatable because my fiancee has adhd. A lot of the memes about not doing chores and getting distracted can be applicable to neurotypical people, but there’s also an additional layer of lived experience that accompanies those memes to be very relevant to people that have adhd or lives with someone who does
I’m really torn on this, because on one hand the over generalization of ADHD prevented me - and is still preventing me - from taking my own diagnosis too seriously, but that same information got me to at least think about it and get a consult with a psychiatrist on it in the first place.
It helped the diagnosis but not the feelings of being an imposter post-diagnosis.
Dr Russell Barkley is, as far as I can tell, the world’s foremost expert on ADHD.
He’s got lectures that I found engaging enough to watch, and shorter videos on various subjects-topics.
Watching his stuff, it felt very validating and enlightening and helped push me past my imposter feelings.
Yeah, Barkley’s talks have helped a lot so far. Previous psychiatrists largely wrote off diagnoses because I was successful in work, but overlooked the challenges at home. Some trauma therapy combined with Barkley’s unique focus of adult symptoms of ADHD really opened my eyes to it.
Still doubts, still confusion, but clearing up.
Yeah I too had a bit of trouble getting diagnosed, even my new psych, who I like quite a bit, he seemed to be overly focused on work/productivity side of my issues. And when it came to meds, I had to be a bit more insistent on trying meds that would give me 24-hour coverage. Because I struggle to motivate myself to get out into social situations, to make friends. I’m never motivated to work on personal projects, things I’m truly interested in but only ever work on in fits and starts, when the stars align.
Barkley’s talks helped me work with my psych, especially the talks about the various medications, about how ADHD affects all aspects of your life, and how important it is to find and refine a medication regimen that is optimal for you in strength and duration.
I see shit like that on lemmy as well.
Everyone wants to be a victim nowadays
Shit like this, makes those of us with/without diagnosis question our own experience. We don’t want to be one of those people, and many stop taking meds that they desperately need, or never seek out professional help because we think… I don’t have adhd, I’m just telling myself that to make me feel better, but the truth is I’m a big piece of shit and that’s why I can never get anything done. And then we get depressed. And some even kill themselves.
Today I learned some people actually think tiktok is the place for accurate medical information
Journalistic standards are remarkably low on TikTok. One might go so far as to say that they are entirely absent.
It’s almost as if the platform is explicitly meant to provide the video equivalent of Xitter’s 144 character meaningless messages.
tiktok allows videos up to 10 minutes
Sure, and yet virtually no one doomscrolls 10 minute videos. And even the “longer” videos in the scroll - meaning 15+ seconds, which nobody watches to finish anyways - have virtually no content, being just someone making stupid motions or reading out a text message.
That is, TikTok is as if an AI got tasked to turn meaningless tweets into portrait format videos. It’s a facsimile of video content. As if the creator only knew about what videos are based on the wikipedia entry for it or something.
I don’t think you’ve ever used tiktok if that’s what you think it is. all the dumb shit gets sorted out pretty quick because of the algorithm. I only see videos about niche topics im interested in, comedy sketches, and cat videos.
Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that people on TikTok will lie to everyone for views? /s
You’re telling me all those self diagnosed individuals are spreading misinformation? How shocking…
The mental health misinformation (or more charitably, widespread misunderstanding) on TikTok is fucking wild. Especially in regard to ADHD, autism, and couples therapy
This is probably what you can expect when the subject matter is as fraught as anything-mental-health can be, and when what passes for clinical experts willing and able to share information on it are so rare as to be unicorns, plus many of them are working from outdated DSM criteria anyhow.
I was clinically diagnosed during the pandemic, then turned unpacking my own experience of autism into a new special interest (lol of course I would do that). I specifically follow quite a few accounts on tiktok belonging to health care practitioners and researchers, and I regard what they have to say in that light, while I also follow lots of ‘hey-I-self-diagnosed-now-let’s-talk-about-it’ accounts and consider what they have to say in that light.
I’m left with the impression that the researchers and practitioners are in an exciting, evolving field in which the subject matter is less-well-known than we might all like, and that the lay autistic folk sharing their experiences are doing it because frankly, the experts weren’t filling that need and what do high-masking/hyperverbal autistic folk do when we know a thing or two? We infodump, that’s what we do. (like this. you’re reading it now. sorry, not-sorry)
Are we always right? Heavens, no.
But, is the bar low to begin with? Oh, yes. Yes, it is. For example, while these tiktokers are sharing what they think (maybe it’s wrong, or DSM-inaccurate, etc.) there are also charlatans out there waving autism around like it’s a boogeyman your children get if they receive vaccinations, when there’s no evidence to support claims like that.
Wait so all of my favorite self diagnosed autism spectrum content creators might not know what they’re talking about 🫨🫨🫨
“In a surprise finding, experts conclude TikTok is not a reliable source for factual information.”
What are you gonna tell me next, that 4chan isn’t the best place to go for relationship advice?
Still better relationship advice than Tiktok
Inaccuracy was measured against the Autism diagnosis in the DSM and standard approved treatments. These are always going to be out of date because you’re not allowed to run tests on humans. Something about ethics. So the DSM and psych industry are always playing catch-up. Meanwhile, you have a large group of people with lived experience sharing that experience. Surely that counts for something?
“Videos produced by health care practitioners were more likely to be *accurate * [emphasis mine] compared to those by autistic creators and ‘other’ creators”
Yes, of course the actual autistic people would know less about how to address their daily issues than doctors /s
Still, anyone who created a tiktok on how to ‘cure’ autism can get fucked. That part I can agree with.
Yes, of course the actual autistic people would know less about how to address their daily issues than doctors /s
They would be familiar with their own personal experience, yes. But things like autism vary greatly. Doctors will understand the condition more generally.
I’m not watching an hour long video…
Your loss
Unrelated but thanks.
Meanwhile, you have a large group of people with lived experience sharing that experience. Surely that counts for something?
Not necessarily.
My kid has been diagnosed with autism and ADHD, and going through the diagnosis process, we realised that I fit a lot of the symptoms. Speaking to friends with various disorders and mental health issues, as well as reading up on them online, we found out that autism and ADHD have overlaps in behaviour. They also overlap with anxiety, OCD, bipolar disorder, and a few others.
The bouncing knee seems to be recognised as a stim for autism, hyperactivity for ADHD, and a nervous behaviour for anxiety. A group of people could convince someone that it’s a sign of whichever diagnosis they personally have, while not knowing about the others, all while not realising that the person asking is just suffering from caffeine withdrawal.
Obviously this is an oversimplification, but hopefully it helps to point out that all groups have their own blind spots, and we all tend to colour things with our own perspective.
Yes, of course the actual autistic people would know less about how to address their daily issues than doctors /s
Its been shown time and time again though that the people who are gaining attention/views/money on tiktok and whatnot… are not exactly likely to be telling the truth.
People figure out very fast whatever magic flavorful words they need to say every month to farm the clicks and get those likes and shares.
I’d expect the majority of people you see claiming they are autistic on tiktok and proceeding to start giving medical advice about it, are likely just lying for money.
It becomes even more obvious when you look at their history and see that what they focus on shifts every few months in terms of content they push.
Best bet is to seek a diagnosis from a qualified professional.
I am a layperson so wtf do I know but my layperson impression: DSM is the source obviously but there is a big gap between the words in the DSM and the details of how symptoms actually manifest for, in my case, ADHD. Also it is a diagnosis manual but the etiology of ADHD hasn’t been settled so there’s not like a brain scan or DNA analysis to test for it.
Any chance you could summarize? It’s been a long day and I’m not sure if I want to dive in but at first glance it might be really good.
FWIW I was like 90% certain I had ADHD going into the diagnosis. The DSM was just a part.
What was really the big shocker was listening to other people who had been diagnosed describing their lived experiences and finding them so similar they either were reading my mind and spying on me or we had something very similar going on.
It also helped understanding a bit more about how limited executive function often manifests, described in a yt vid by a psychologist specializing in ADHD
Finally also considering alternative conditions that could be mistaken for ADHD.
If you aren’t familiar with Dr Russell Barkley, you should look up his videos. He seems to be the foremost expert, but somehow I missed him for a couple of years.
I concur; he is the fellow I was watching that clarified many points particularly around executive function.
BREAKING NEWS: PEOPLE SAY WRONG THINGS ON THE INTERNET!
TikTok has some nice stuff but also people making stuff up for attention and clout.
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