• Rhaedas@kbin.social
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    1980s: You could flip burgers to help pay for the college and not be thousands in debt at graduation.

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    Also, “flip burgers” is a bad description of how hard it is to actually work in food service

    You just know someone with a two-stall garage and boat who’s always had things handed to them came up with that shit

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        supply and demand. flipping burgers has no gatekeepers, natural or artificial, and lots of people are overall willing to do it, so workers are easy to replace and wages can be pushed down a lot. there are low skill jobs that are actually well-paid, but they usually involve way less savory stuff that fewer people like to do.

        of course, if a strong social safety net, or heavens forbid, universal basic income happened, way fewer people would be willing to flip burgers, while the demand for burgers would likely go up slightly, so people flipping burgers would get paid better, because a lot fewer people would want to flip burgers. hence the comparisons to the good half of europe where people flipping burgers get paid better.

        but the point is, when a job is easier to do, it’s because it’s gatekept in a way that some harder jobs aren’t. sometimes that’s due to skill, other times it’s entirely artificial. but a gatekept job can’t be a universal “hey, do that job instead” thing, specifically because it’s gatekept.

        ubi would be great because it would make it disproportionately more difficult to hire for hard jobs than for easy ones, but when the alternative is starving to death, a lot of people accept the hard job instead.

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          The term low-skilled labor is classist propaganda

          But you are correct that this is how it’s perceived through the warped lens of capitalism

          UBI is not the answer. It’s just liberals’ way of propping up an inherently exploitative system

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        I think its about time to train employees and the cost of mistakes while they train.

        If the cost of mistakes is low, and employees can be trained relatively quickly, employers will exploit the fuck out of people.

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        Once you have the position to negotiate your wage you also have the ability to negotiate your workload.

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    The challenge here is the instructions were not very clear. All they said was go to college. They didn’t tell you what to study, and it turns out there aren’t a lot of jobs in medieval literature, gender studies, etc.

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      Sure but it doesn’t explain why teachers need to flip burgers as a second job, or why doctors and lawyers are drowning under all the debt.

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      How many people do you think majored in gender studies? The biggest field by far is STEM. Engineers, scientists, mathematicians/physicists, and IT still find it hard to find a job and are facing unprecedented layoffs.

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        Also, gender studies is obviously a field we should be supporting more, given the prevalence of sexism in society and how many people are completely ignorant about the nature of gender

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      (probably not that) Hot take. But I think that not having everyone study STEM or “productive” (by capitalism’s standard) studies is a good thing for the world.

      Sure, philosophy doesn’t pay. But is the world better with, or without, people who study philosophy?

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        Depends on the quality of the philosophy and how dire the need is for people who learned immediately useful subjects.

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    Sorry, we’re now have to pay off the equilavent of a mortgage in student loan, no we don’t want $7.25 an hour