Spanish police requested information from Apple, and encrypted services Proton and Wire, about a pro-Catalan independence activist.
  • @[email protected]
    28•4 months ago

    I think it’s not the services fault that people aren’t aware of the limits of encrypted services. They are not going to shut everythin’ down just for a few people, if you need smth anonymous Proton is not for you.

    Also, it’s your task to have good opsec. If you give your iCloud email to Proton which has personal information sticked to it, your fault.

    • @[email protected]
      4•4 months ago

      if you need smth anonymous Proton is not for you.

      I mean, there are better options, but you can also use Proton anonymously. Just have to use it appropriately. If you use it to send your name to the FBI, there ain’t nothin Proton can do about that. Same if you link a recovery email linked to a personal account.

    • @[email protected]
      3•4 months ago

      I do not blame Proton for complying with a request - it is a completely expected action from a company. However, I would blame them for advertising that makes them seem safer than they are for people who don’t know better.

      • @[email protected]
        1•4 months ago

        I would blame them for advertising that makes them seem safer than they are

        What kind of advertising are you referring to exactly?

        • @JasSmith
          1•4 months ago

          This is near the top on their landing page:

          With Proton, your data belongs to you, not tech companies, governments, or hackers.

          In the EU, one’s IP address can be considered private data as it can be used for identification. So far Proton has been caught handing over alternative email addresses and IP addresses, meaning their primary USP isn’t really accurate. At least not insofar as governments are concerned. I understand this occurred via Swiss court order, but they should not be headquartered in Switzerland. Panama has a history of rejecting foreign interference. All unencrypted data should be stored in Panama.

          • @[email protected]
            1•4 months ago

            Privacy is simply not a binary concept. Proton is as private as it can possibly (and legally) be, so I don’t think that checks out.

            • @JasSmith
              1•4 months ago

              Proton is as private as it can possibly (and legally) be

              That’s clearly inaccurate, since they could be headquartered in Panama, and store their data there. That would make them immune to Swiss court orders. There are already hosts which provide server space in Panama for exactly this reason.

              • @[email protected]
                1•4 months ago

                That would make them immune to Swiss court orders.

                LOL you can’t be serious. They would just be subject to Panamanian court orders.

                They are located in Switzerland specifically because it’s the most privacy-respecting country on the planet. If they get a court order in Switzerland, they’re gonna get one literally anywhere else.

                • @JasSmith
                  1•4 months ago

                  LOL you can’t be serious. They would just be subject to Panamanian court orders.

                  Yes, and since Panama has a long history of telling foreign nations to fuck off, data is much safer there than in Switzerland. At least as a non-Panamanian. You claim Switzerland is the “most privacy-respecting country on the planet,” but I’d like to see the evidence. Since they comply with every court order, then I would argue one’s data is no safer in Switzerland than most other European countries. Which is to say, completely unsafe from most Western governments.