I never suggested it’s a good idea to reduce women rights, I’m saying that the reason birthrate was higher in the past and is higher in some places at the moment is because women didn’t/don’t have rights, it has nothing to do with income.
Also, about your first point, I already covered that when I mentioned that those who are poor tend to have more kids than those who have the means to easily afford to have them. Hell, poor people have more kids than rich people who could stop working.
It’s not about money or access to child care or social programs, it’s about choice. When they’re given the choice the vast majority of people don’t want a family big enough for the population to renew itself, you’ll find exceptions (I’ve got two colleagues who have four children each) but the average will still be under 2.1 if people can easily prevent unwanted pregnancies. There’s nothing new to it either as I showed and if you look at historical data in first world country it’s always the same pattern (no matter the quantity of social programs to help parents or the amount of parental leaves that they get) and we’re seeing that pattern repeat itself in developing countries.
Maybe that is the “Great Filter” that will end our society but I don’t think anyone has entirely demonstrated that. up to now higher birth rate is related to women specifically not having choices or high infant mortality, but that doesn’t mean we need to go back to that nor that those are the only possibilities
Many people do want kids, so if we as a society want to encourage more children, we need to make that choice easier rather than more difficult. We need to support those people and their choices. We all need to take responsibility for all of our future. It does “take a village” and our society needs to find a way to recreate that and still respect human rights, for the sake of all of our future
Again, people are acting like the USA is the only country that exists and ignoring all other States where having kids is much easier and where the birthrate is the same or lower.
US is at 1.66, Finland at 1.46. Finland offers much better social services and safety nets and socioeconomic equality than the USA, it also means women with more education, better access to abortion (even though the number of abortions is decreasing because they’re not necessary in the first place if people have access to contraceptives, which they do in Finland), better access to a profession…
The more equal women are to men, the less kids they have… and I mean, why would people expect anything else? They’re the ones who take care of the majority of the tasks related to raising children, given the choice they would rather have the same quality of life as men and get to do stuff for themselves instead of living for someone else!
I never suggested it’s a good idea to reduce women rights, I’m saying that the reason birthrate was higher in the past and is higher in some places at the moment is because women didn’t/don’t have rights, it has nothing to do with income.
Also, about your first point, I already covered that when I mentioned that those who are poor tend to have more kids than those who have the means to easily afford to have them. Hell, poor people have more kids than rich people who could stop working.
It’s not about money or access to child care or social programs, it’s about choice. When they’re given the choice the vast majority of people don’t want a family big enough for the population to renew itself, you’ll find exceptions (I’ve got two colleagues who have four children each) but the average will still be under 2.1 if people can easily prevent unwanted pregnancies. There’s nothing new to it either as I showed and if you look at historical data in first world country it’s always the same pattern (no matter the quantity of social programs to help parents or the amount of parental leaves that they get) and we’re seeing that pattern repeat itself in developing countries.
People just don’t want kids if they can help it.
Maybe that is the “Great Filter” that will end our society but I don’t think anyone has entirely demonstrated that. up to now higher birth rate is related to women specifically not having choices or high infant mortality, but that doesn’t mean we need to go back to that nor that those are the only possibilities
Many people do want kids, so if we as a society want to encourage more children, we need to make that choice easier rather than more difficult. We need to support those people and their choices. We all need to take responsibility for all of our future. It does “take a village” and our society needs to find a way to recreate that and still respect human rights, for the sake of all of our future
Again, people are acting like the USA is the only country that exists and ignoring all other States where having kids is much easier and where the birthrate is the same or lower.
US is at 1.66, Finland at 1.46. Finland offers much better social services and safety nets and socioeconomic equality than the USA, it also means women with more education, better access to abortion (even though the number of abortions is decreasing because they’re not necessary in the first place if people have access to contraceptives, which they do in Finland), better access to a profession…
The more equal women are to men, the less kids they have… and I mean, why would people expect anything else? They’re the ones who take care of the majority of the tasks related to raising children, given the choice they would rather have the same quality of life as men and get to do stuff for themselves instead of living for someone else!
Great! Seems like you have good ideas for next steps!
Yep, and people are already doing it including me, stop having kids.
Perhaps, or people think more before having kids (also contraception makes it easier to prevent pregnancy in the first place)