• @Snowflake
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    Same with you. When they attack it’s “yeah but the overblown atrocities they’ve faced over the decades” “look what they’ve done to them over the decades”

    Meanwhile in reality land Israel housed, fed, provided medicine allowing their population to grow from 500k to 5.5M. They let them continue after Palestine launched a full blown invasion to destroy Israel from the world in 1948. Even after losing they let them prosper all these decades.

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      The article is about abuse in Israeli jails. You are spinning some kind of elaborate argument to trivialize it, you are literally blaming victims of prison abuse for the abuse they suffered.

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        When reality is some kind of elaborate trivial argument. I don’t spin anything I literally point out what has factually happened in reality since 1947. Of course they tell a sob story as they face the consequences of their own actions. Even through it all they still support Hamas. 80% think Hamas did nothing wrong October 7th. So why shouldn’t we victim blame? Will they accept peace? Doubt it. If they want war so damn much then that’s their problem why is it mine?

        80% of them even dislike America according to this 2014 paper. Their biggest financial backer. Y’know the one who provided food and medicine to their exponentially growing population all while our own country faced our own crazy ass problems somehow we found the money to provide them aid. And 3 of every 4 of them dislike us. Okay lol. I’m suppose to feel sorry or something?

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          I wonder why they dislike America. Your comment makes America sound so helpful for Palestinians.

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            Yes true. The billions and billions we sent them in aid was no help. We have never helped them. Somehow they kept themselves fed and taken care of.

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          Prison beatings and torture. Rape by baton. Deaths in custody. In statements by people who were in administrative detention (ie not convicts) since 2022.

          You call this “a sob story as they face the consequences of their own actions”.

          You have no credibility.

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            I think they should have stopped while they were ahead.

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              After the blatant misanthropy in your previous responses, I don’t give a damn what you think. You have no credibility.

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                That’s cool. Reality is quite credible though.

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      The Israeli imposed closure on Gaza began in 1991, temporarily, becoming permanent in 1993. The barrier began around Gaza around 1972. After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted. This has been a deliberate tactic of De-development.

      Gaza Policy Forum summary: Experts agree that Israel’s dual-use policy causes acute distress

      Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986. (Arguably, the economic terms of the Gaza—Jericho Agreement modify the situation only slightly.)

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      In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60 percent over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50 percent decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (com- bined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.

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      The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy