• @[email protected]
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    014 days ago

    Depends which definition of bullshit you use, I guess.

    Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn’t care whether what they say is true or false.

    Wiki

    • @conciselyverbose
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      214 days ago

      the bullshitter doesn’t care whether what they say is true or false.

      That’s another way to say “intent is irrelevant”.

      It’s also effectively the perfect definition of LLM output. Content for the sole purpose of looking the part with absolutely no consideration for reality.

      • @[email protected]
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        -113 days ago

        …bullshit is speech intended to persuade…

        Quoting out of context is not going to score you any points

        • @conciselyverbose
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          113 days ago

          It is intended (by the designer) to persuade. It’s intended to persuade you that it’s something a human would say.

          Ignoring that you’re trying to claim one dude’s definition of bullshit as the law, that one dude’s definition is an exact flawless match for what LLMs are.

          • @[email protected]
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            013 days ago

            It is intended (by the designer) to persuade.

            According to you, I presume? Or can you back that up somehow?

            LLMs were developed to simulate human-like understanding and generation of language. They’re called large language models for a reason.

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              113 days ago

              No, they weren’t. There was never at any point any theoretical possibility that an LLM would resemble understanding in any way.

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                That’s why they simulate it. Just like I said.

                Look, there’s no point going any further with this. You just keep making baseless claims without any explanation or even attempt to try and convince me otherwise. When called out, you ignore it and move on. I’m not interested in discussions where people are just talking past each other while disregarding everything said in the previous messages. Take care now.

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                  113 days ago

                  They don’t simulate anything.

                  LLMs are objectively bullshit. You’re the one who went way down the train trying to act like the exact correct word wasn’t fair, and I responded to the only part of any of your posts that wasn’t outright word salad nonsense.