For that first one: I knew who these people were back in elementary school. They are the ones that crossed their arms and defiantly said things like, “What do we need to even learn all this stuff for? it don’t mean nuthin! Just a bunch of book-larnin! We won’t need this in the real world!”. And then went right on to either doing the bare minimum until they graduated, if they even did that.

And now this sort are still Karens. And now “doing their own research”.