You’re right, it’s more like a genocide. After all, they’re just bombing everything indiscriminately, starving people to death, blocking humanitarian aid and occupying illegally territories that don’t belong to them.
Not to mention that they basically shot to kill everyone they find, be it an UN worker, a child or an US citizen protesting.
But hey, god forbid we criticise what those bastards do, we wouldn’t like to be called antisemitic…
Fuck Netanyahu, fuck his government and fuck everyone supporting what they are doing in Gaza.
Criticism is fine. Fuck Bibi for sure and the war.
You can criticize Israel’s policies just fine without descending into antisemitism. Many pro Palestinians don’t understand or don’t care about the difference. That means their advocacy descends into just hate for everything Israeli.
If Israel really wanted to commit a genocide, bombed indiscriminately, or killed everyone on sight, there would be millions of dead today. Remember that armed militants from Gaza managed to kill more than 1000 Israelis in one day with mostly small arms.
About 40 000 Gazans were killed during this war, that’s now 11 months old. Israel has a far stronger military and managed to destroy a large fraction of the buildings in Gaza. The number of deaths is low compared to the overall destruction and the power disparity. This is a war in a dense urban environment against an incredibly deeply entrenched enemy.
The number of people who starved to death less than ten afaik, most of them had preexisting health conditions. There’s enough food getting in overall, but distribution inside Gaza is difficult.
That said. This war should end. A two state solution like the Olmert offer is a viable path to end the occupation of the West Bank and achieve freedom for Palestinians.
I’m pretty sure that if we’re not seeing more deaths it is because the international community would have trouble trying to justify it. But not because Netanyahu doesn’t want it.
They abuse Palestinians in their jails, they kill children, they attack refugee camps… All because “Hamas was hiding there”. I’m sorry but no. There’s a limit to what you can do. And Israel is surpassing it by far. They are not only killing, they are razing cities, they are basically making Gaza uninhabitable and they are blocking humanitarian aid (when they’re not directly destroying it), so yeah, they are trying to starve people.
In Gaza there are only temporary evacuations of civilians from dangerous areas. This is not only legal but required under international humanitarian law.
Gazans are not expelled from their land. Quite the opposite, they aren’t allowed to leave the Gaza strip, besides a small fraction.
If you raze their towns making them effectively uninhabitable and then declare those zones “a war zone” while you also block any effort to reconstruct and allow people to occupy those territories, you’re expelling them from their land.
Then you shouldn’t mind of Israelites were forced to uproot and move to another part of Israel in order to respect the border as it was agreed back when the State was created, right? I mean, Israelites being forcibly moved inside Israel shouldn’t be a problem if it’s not a problem to do the same thing to Gazans…
In Gaza there is only temporary evacuations forced displacement of civilians from dangerous areas their homes. This is not only illegal but required under international humanitarian law as a war crime
There, fixed it for you.
Gazans are not constantly expelled from their land
True, but not a good thing. The Israeli apartheid regime is basically moving Gazans around inside an open air prison in between the murder and the theft and destruction of those things necessary for people to live.
Rule 24. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.
A. Parties to an international armed conflict may not deport or forcibly transfer the civilian population of an occupied territory, in whole or in part, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand.
B. Parties to a non-international armed conflict may not order the displacement of the civilian population, in whole or in part, for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand
Rule 24. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.
B. Parties to a non-international armed conflict may not order the displacement of the civilian population, in whole or in part, for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand
Weird that you’d include this in DEFENSE of Israel since that’s what they’re constantly doing. Hell, sometimes they’ll even force civilians into a so-called “safe zone” and then bomb that area!
I’m including it because you seem to utterly unaware of international law.
Israel has attacked military objectives in safe zones. That is legal under international law. Hamas putting their weapons depots and operating bases in areas protected under international humanitarian law is a war crime. Attacking these is not a war crime.
Right, and obviously you think there’s no cost or trauma associated with it, so when Hamas does the same thing in Israel your reaction is “Houses can be rebuilt”, right?
Israel is a sham democracy floated by endless US weapons, don’t worry I hate the US too, and pretty much every other state is slightly lower in my shit list because they’re not actively exterminating people for their settlers right now
Israel is a State, racism is towards people. The State of Israel doesn’t represent the opinion of all Jews, I’ve got no problem with Jews who don’t support the State of Israel, I’ve got a problem with Jews and anyone else who does.
By your logic most of the world was racist towards Americans from 2016 to 2020.
It’s the rhetoric used by those who want to be seen as victims. They pretend that you associate the state with the totality of the people forming it. That way it’s easier to control the narrative. And if you look closely, it’s the same they are trying to do with the “Palestine=Hamas” bullshit.
If you hate Israel, according to them, you hate the whole Jewish world. It’s easier that way to create the “with me or against me” rhetoric.
No, it’s an illustration of the fact that Israel gets away with war crimes and a comparison to something that is of historical significance to Israelites to show the hypocrisy.
They (and you) don’t get to use the racism card to get out of being criticized or compared.
That’s like saying, “It’s fine to say that you just hate the government of Nazi Germany, but if that’s the only nation state you hate, it means you’re racist against Germans.” What?
I hate every apartheid state with equal intensity, however, since South Africa ended their system of apartheid, that just leaves Israel. I suppose if Israel’s system of apartheid was ended first and South Africa’s remained, it would mean I was racist against white people or something. Funny how who I’m “racist” towards is entirely dependant on who’s doing apartheid.
Das Gegenteil ist der Fall. Ich verfolge diesen Konflikt seit über 25 Jahren aktiv und habe eine Menge unterschiedlicher Perspektiven gesehen und gelesen.
Gas chambers is a direct Holocaust comparison.
If you don’t like being compared to Nazis, maybe stop doing things that Nazis would do? Such as an ethnic cleansing?
Idk, just an idea…
The Nazis did far worse things than ethnic cleansing. There’s no ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza.
You’re right, it’s more like a genocide. After all, they’re just bombing everything indiscriminately, starving people to death, blocking humanitarian aid and occupying illegally territories that don’t belong to them.
Not to mention that they basically shot to kill everyone they find, be it an UN worker, a child or an US citizen protesting.
But hey, god forbid we criticise what those bastards do, we wouldn’t like to be called antisemitic…
Fuck Netanyahu, fuck his government and fuck everyone supporting what they are doing in Gaza.
Criticism is fine. Fuck Bibi for sure and the war.
You can criticize Israel’s policies just fine without descending into antisemitism. Many pro Palestinians don’t understand or don’t care about the difference. That means their advocacy descends into just hate for everything Israeli.
If Israel really wanted to commit a genocide, bombed indiscriminately, or killed everyone on sight, there would be millions of dead today. Remember that armed militants from Gaza managed to kill more than 1000 Israelis in one day with mostly small arms.
About 40 000 Gazans were killed during this war, that’s now 11 months old. Israel has a far stronger military and managed to destroy a large fraction of the buildings in Gaza. The number of deaths is low compared to the overall destruction and the power disparity. This is a war in a dense urban environment against an incredibly deeply entrenched enemy.
The number of people who starved to death less than ten afaik, most of them had preexisting health conditions. There’s enough food getting in overall, but distribution inside Gaza is difficult.
That said. This war should end. A two state solution like the Olmert offer is a viable path to end the occupation of the West Bank and achieve freedom for Palestinians.
I’m pretty sure that if we’re not seeing more deaths it is because the international community would have trouble trying to justify it. But not because Netanyahu doesn’t want it.
They abuse Palestinians in their jails, they kill children, they attack refugee camps… All because “Hamas was hiding there”. I’m sorry but no. There’s a limit to what you can do. And Israel is surpassing it by far. They are not only killing, they are razing cities, they are basically making Gaza uninhabitable and they are blocking humanitarian aid (when they’re not directly destroying it), so yeah, they are trying to starve people.
Eh… Yes?
In Gaza there are only temporary evacuations of civilians from dangerous areas. This is not only legal but required under international humanitarian law.
Gazans are not expelled from their land. Quite the opposite, they aren’t allowed to leave the Gaza strip, besides a small fraction.
If you raze their towns making them effectively uninhabitable and then declare those zones “a war zone” while you also block any effort to reconstruct and allow people to occupy those territories, you’re expelling them from their land.
Millions of Gazans were expelled from Gaza into Gaza apparently.
Then you shouldn’t mind of Israelites were forced to uproot and move to another part of Israel in order to respect the border as it was agreed back when the State was created, right? I mean, Israelites being forcibly moved inside Israel shouldn’t be a problem if it’s not a problem to do the same thing to Gazans…
So what you’re saying is that people can freely return to their homes in Gaza city?
There, fixed it for you.
In fact, almost all Palestinians in Gaza have been forcibly displaced
True, but not a good thing. The Israeli apartheid regime is basically moving Gazans around inside an open air prison in between the murder and the theft and destruction of those things necessary for people to live.
Instead of making up international humanitarian law in your head, you could read it.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule24
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule129
That’s NOT what Israel is doing. They’re constantly DIRECTING military force at civilians
Weird that you’d include this in DEFENSE of Israel since that’s what they’re constantly doing. Hell, sometimes they’ll even force civilians into a so-called “safe zone” and then bomb that area!
I’m including it because you seem to utterly unaware of international law.
Israel has attacked military objectives in safe zones. That is legal under international law. Hamas putting their weapons depots and operating bases in areas protected under international humanitarian law is a war crime. Attacking these is not a war crime.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/4/18/satellite-images-reveal-israeli-destruction-of-hospitals-in-gaza
Where and what do they return to after those temporary evacuations?
Houses can be rebuilt.
Right, and nobody else will be motivated to attack Israelis after coming home to an obliterated home with their dead family inside.
I agree that this conflict won’t be over any time soon.
Right, and obviously you think there’s no cost or trauma associated with it, so when Hamas does the same thing in Israel your reaction is “Houses can be rebuilt”, right?
Israel is a State, not people, you can hate it all you want, it doesn’t make you racist.
If you only hate Israel, but no other nation states, it makes you racist.
Israel is a sham democracy floated by endless US weapons, don’t worry I hate the US too, and pretty much every other state is slightly lower in my shit list because they’re not actively exterminating people for their settlers right now
Israel is a State, racism is towards people. The State of Israel doesn’t represent the opinion of all Jews, I’ve got no problem with Jews who don’t support the State of Israel, I’ve got a problem with Jews and anyone else who does.
By your logic most of the world was racist towards Americans from 2016 to 2020.
It’s the rhetoric used by those who want to be seen as victims. They pretend that you associate the state with the totality of the people forming it. That way it’s easier to control the narrative. And if you look closely, it’s the same they are trying to do with the “Palestine=Hamas” bullshit.
If you hate Israel, according to them, you hate the whole Jewish world. It’s easier that way to create the “with me or against me” rhetoric.
There’s a difference between hating a state’s existence and hating its policies.
Yeah and clearly you assume that people do the former when they’re doing the latter, like in the OP
The OP is just straight up demonization and antisemitic Holocaust comparison.
It’s not a criticism of policies.
No, it’s an illustration of the fact that Israel gets away with war crimes and a comparison to something that is of historical significance to Israelites to show the hypocrisy.
They (and you) don’t get to use the racism card to get out of being criticized or compared.
There are not even any claimed war crimes on this map.
That’s like saying, “It’s fine to say that you just hate the government of Nazi Germany, but if that’s the only nation state you hate, it means you’re racist against Germans.” What?
I hate every apartheid state with equal intensity, however, since South Africa ended their system of apartheid, that just leaves Israel. I suppose if Israel’s system of apartheid was ended first and South Africa’s remained, it would mean I was racist against white people or something. Funny how who I’m “racist” towards is entirely dependant on who’s doing apartheid.
Du scheinst ein sehr schwarz/weißes Weltbild zu haben
Das Gegenteil ist der Fall. Ich verfolge diesen Konflikt seit über 25 Jahren aktiv und habe eine Menge unterschiedlicher Perspektiven gesehen und gelesen.