“Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 she’s at it again,” DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement to The Bulwark. “Jill Stein won’t become president, but her spoiler candidacy—that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in—can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.”

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      When NATO was founded, what did Lord Ismay famously say it was for?

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        Something other than stopping Russia for committing genocide. Which means he was incorrect because that’s what NATO is currently doing.

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          It’s not controversial to say that the US / NATO helped trigger the war in Ukraine.

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            Not on your state sponsored propaganda instance maybe. Can’t wait till they play Swan Lake. Should be soon. What a classic

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              While that’s an accurate description of NYTimes and Wikipedia, they’re probably not the outlets you had in mind.

              Ample evidence suggests that enlarging NATO over the years stoked Moscow’s grievances and heightened Ukraine’s vulnerability. After the Cold War ended, Moscow wanted NATO, previously an anti-Soviet military alliance, to freeze in place and diminish in significance. Instead, Western countries elevated NATO as the premier vehicle for European security and began an open-ended process of eastward expansion. Even though, as the former secretary of state Madeleine Albright noted, the Russians “were strongly opposed to enlargement,” the United States and its allies went ahead anyway

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                  What evidence are you calling into question specifically? That NATO expanded after the fall of the USSR?

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                    I’m not. I’m not the same person. I’m just telling you that you shouldn’t cite an opinion piece as evidence.