Hello World,

following feedback we have received in the last few days, both from users and moderators, we are making some changes to clarify our ToS.

Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance. We are not located in US, which means different laws apply. As written in our ToS, we’re primarily subject to Dutch, Finnish and German laws. Additionally, it is our discretion to further limit discussion that we don’t consider tolerable. There are plenty other websites out there hosted in US and promoting free speech on their platform. You should be aware that even free speech in US does not cover true threats of violence.

Having said that, we have seen a lot of comments removed referring to our ToS, which were not explicitly intended to be covered by our ToS. After discussion with some of our moderators we have determined there to be both an issue with the ambiguity of our ToS to some extent, but also lack of clarity on what we expect from our moderators.

We want to clarify that, when moderators believe certain parts of our ToS do not appropriately cover a specific situation, they are welcome to bring these issues up with our admin team for review, escalating the issue without taking action themselves when in doubt. We also allow for moderator discretion in a lot of cases, as we generally don’t review each individual report or moderator action unless they’re specifically brought to admin attention. This also means that content that may be permitted by ToS can at the same time be violating community rules and therefore result in moderator action. We have added a new section to our ToS to clarify what we expect from moderators.

We are generally aiming to avoid content organizing, glorifying or suggesting to harm people or animals, but we are limiting the scope of our ToS to build the minimum framework inside which we all can have discussions, leaving a broader area for moderators to decide what is and isn’t allowed in the communities they oversee. We trust the moderators judgement and in cases where we see a gross disagreement between moderatos and admins’ criteria we can have a conversation and reach an agreement, as in many cases the decision is case-specific and context matters.

We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.

As always, if you stumble across content that appears to be violating our site or community rules, please use Lemmys report functionality. Especially when threads are very active, moderators will not be able to go through every single comment for review. Reporting content and providing accurate reasons for reports will help moderators deal with problematic content in a reasonable amount of time.

  • _haha_oh_wow_
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    3 days ago

    Really? Jury nullification???

    Glad I didn’t join your instance because that is fucking insane.

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        2 days ago

        You could always move to a better instance, one of the advantages of the fediverse.

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      2 days ago

      Honestly its sort of fair and just basic ass-covering. If some dummy out there gets the bright idea that they can kill someone because they’ll get a jury nullification anyway, and it turns out they discussed that here, it’s not great legally. No one wants to end up like 8chan.

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        13 hours ago

        That is such a terrible defense of banning speech about perfectly legal actions.

        Is telling criminals they are allowed to hire shady criminal defense lawyers also banned? It makes them more comfortable committing crimes, right?

        Read what you wrote in a few hours and see if it still holds up in your own mind. Simple talking about a legal action should always be allowed

        Why do some people have such an insatiable urge to lick on boots?

        No one is saying we should allow child porn and allow mass murderers to celebrate their kills. Trying to compare this to 8chan is disingenuous at best.

        Elderly grandmothers are celebrating the murder of Brian Thompson. Think about that for a moment.

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      What’s fucking insane is the way people were practically making a checklist of people to kill

      This place was turning into thedonald, where abuse was upvoted

      You know it’s bad when even 4chan people were acting normal in comparison

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        11 hours ago

        the way people were practically making a checklist of people to kill

        No they are not, you are making this up to derail the discussion.

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        13 hours ago

        Tell me you were born with a silver spoon without telling me…

        We are fighting for our lives. Literally

        Violent begets violence. Do you expect people to bend over and take it?
        Class war is here, and it sounds like you’re picking the wrong side.

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          11 hours ago

          Wtf are you talking about?

          So it’s ok to act like a bunch of fucking terrorists and just start targeting people?

          You know nothing about me. I am definitely not rich and I’m definitely not taking the side of the wealthy. I’m definitely on the side of you guys getting free health care or public health insurance like here in Australia

          You need to take a step back though and see how weird and radicalised people some people here are acting. 2 years ago we would have called them loonies and reported them, but now suddenly it’s ok?

          If you guys want the network to be shut down or taken over by authorities, this is the way.

          No, it’s not ok to start just listing people and suggesting people attack them.

          What some people are doing will get us all on a watchlist