Ya I think these people are just extra special. It doesn’t matter what your political beliefs are, if you’ve gone as far as being a “fan” of a billionaire then something is immediately wrong with you.
The level of obsession people have with celebrities and billionaires has gone way too far and quite frankly it’s extremely unhealthy and damaging to society.
So I don’t bother using logic and reasoning to try to understand why someone is a musk fan or a trump fan or whatever. At the end of the day I write these people off as mentality unstable and incapable of using logic and reasoning. I don’t engage with these type of people because they are unhinged and absolutely nothing good can come from engaging with someone that can’t use logic to solve a problem.
Right until said celebrity goes on talk shows spewing toxic shit for their fan base to gobble up.
Being obsessed with celebrities, or ANYONE is not a good thing. It opens you up to manipulation which we can see how celebrities take advantage of.
Young people today are focused on their celebrities, instead of focusing on themselves. It’s not a good thing because these young people are being shaped by the bad behaviors of celebrities.
We need to stop giving these toxic assholes a platform.
Not responsible? They have lots of influence and many of them collaborate with billionaires. To say they aren’t at all responsible for their shitty ideas because they don’t possess as much wealth as billionaires is drastically ignorant.
Influence isn’t always going to produce results. Musk and Bezos ruin lives. Gwenneth Paltrow gets well off people to waste a few hundred dollars over and over.
If you have any real examples I’d love to hear them
Cool so now we are going to argue about degrees of influence? You’re the insufferable one because you’re all about arguing about stupid shit instead of just accepting that you’re wrong.
Instead you’re going to double down and defend celebrities. It’s OK that celebrities do garbage things because there is a billionaire around the corner who is worse. What an ignorant position to take.
I guess big corporations are wrong about using celebrities as frontmen for their shit business since according to you they have zero influence.
I do categorically agree with you, but I have, and you might also have had, the benefit of a lot good environment that deliberate fostered my critical thinking, including being plugged into punk in the late 70s by an uncle who knew I would need it. But I’ve still got my heroes, some of them problematic ones, so I don’t hold the mere having of a hero who is not my hero against someone.
I also don’t waste my time with Trump fans or that ilk, because in the case of Trump I cannot identify how any of his fans are getting anything from what he’s offering, other than literally the much-vaunted “own”. Like, to explain the 2023 Trump fan, as far as I’m concerned one needs to reach for Plato or Nietszche and their conceptions of how mental slavery works. I don’t think anyone’s come up with anything that explains it better than either of those two; the only difference would be the degree to which they apply the principle.
Foucault might have something to say, but y’know, academic Postmodernism is a measurable part of how we got here, so fuck that guy…
But the circa-2020 Musk fan, that person is easier for me to explain to myself. That person has been steeped in capitalist mythology and deprived of a real picture of history, and statistically speaking, has not had their critical thinking fostered very well at all, and they believe that their life happens in a more or less static social world that does not have the upheavals and strife that happen in Those Other Places, because that is the reality that we North Americans have lived in for the last thirty years. We are so bored, in fact, we have nothing better to do than fuck up our own society with convoys and antivax movements that killed children with measles years before Covid came for us all.
So in the end, I see their current silence as indicative of thought taking place, and take good hope from that.
I likewise see the increasing loudness and escalating hyperbole of the right as a sign that they are at least becoming aware that they are losing; at some point, simple ignorant pride/pride in ignorance will explain whoever is left in that group.
Ya I think these people are just extra special. It doesn’t matter what your political beliefs are, if you’ve gone as far as being a “fan” of a billionaire then something is immediately wrong with you.
The level of obsession people have with celebrities and billionaires has gone way too far and quite frankly it’s extremely unhealthy and damaging to society.
So I don’t bother using logic and reasoning to try to understand why someone is a musk fan or a trump fan or whatever. At the end of the day I write these people off as mentality unstable and incapable of using logic and reasoning. I don’t engage with these type of people because they are unhinged and absolutely nothing good can come from engaging with someone that can’t use logic to solve a problem.
At least celebrities are just doing their job usually. You don’t become a billionaire without ruining a lot of lives along the way
The obsession with either is weird but only one of them is inherently evil
Right until said celebrity goes on talk shows spewing toxic shit for their fan base to gobble up.
Being obsessed with celebrities, or ANYONE is not a good thing. It opens you up to manipulation which we can see how celebrities take advantage of.
Young people today are focused on their celebrities, instead of focusing on themselves. It’s not a good thing because these young people are being shaped by the bad behaviors of celebrities.
We need to stop giving these toxic assholes a platform.
And?
That person just has shitty ideas. They’re still not responsible for fucking over many people’s lives like billionaires do
Not responsible? They have lots of influence and many of them collaborate with billionaires. To say they aren’t at all responsible for their shitty ideas because they don’t possess as much wealth as billionaires is drastically ignorant.
Influence isn’t always going to produce results. Musk and Bezos ruin lives. Gwenneth Paltrow gets well off people to waste a few hundred dollars over and over.
If you have any real examples I’d love to hear them
You literally don’t even know what you’re arguing about.
If you are trying to convince me that celebrities have zero influence in the world then you are wearing clown shoes.
I said influence isn’t directly ruining lives
Give me an example instead of being an insufferable ass
Cool so now we are going to argue about degrees of influence? You’re the insufferable one because you’re all about arguing about stupid shit instead of just accepting that you’re wrong.
Instead you’re going to double down and defend celebrities. It’s OK that celebrities do garbage things because there is a billionaire around the corner who is worse. What an ignorant position to take.
I guess big corporations are wrong about using celebrities as frontmen for their shit business since according to you they have zero influence.
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I do categorically agree with you, but I have, and you might also have had, the benefit of a lot good environment that deliberate fostered my critical thinking, including being plugged into punk in the late 70s by an uncle who knew I would need it. But I’ve still got my heroes, some of them problematic ones, so I don’t hold the mere having of a hero who is not my hero against someone.
I also don’t waste my time with Trump fans or that ilk, because in the case of Trump I cannot identify how any of his fans are getting anything from what he’s offering, other than literally the much-vaunted “own”. Like, to explain the 2023 Trump fan, as far as I’m concerned one needs to reach for Plato or Nietszche and their conceptions of how mental slavery works. I don’t think anyone’s come up with anything that explains it better than either of those two; the only difference would be the degree to which they apply the principle.
Foucault might have something to say, but y’know, academic Postmodernism is a measurable part of how we got here, so fuck that guy…
But the circa-2020 Musk fan, that person is easier for me to explain to myself. That person has been steeped in capitalist mythology and deprived of a real picture of history, and statistically speaking, has not had their critical thinking fostered very well at all, and they believe that their life happens in a more or less static social world that does not have the upheavals and strife that happen in Those Other Places, because that is the reality that we North Americans have lived in for the last thirty years. We are so bored, in fact, we have nothing better to do than fuck up our own society with convoys and antivax movements that killed children with measles years before Covid came for us all.
So in the end, I see their current silence as indicative of thought taking place, and take good hope from that.
I likewise see the increasing loudness and escalating hyperbole of the right as a sign that they are at least becoming aware that they are losing; at some point, simple ignorant pride/pride in ignorance will explain whoever is left in that group.