Can we get a consensus on whether our community should de-federate with servers that host loli? I personally think we should block them, and if that ends up not being the consensus here then I’ll probably sign up on another server. I hope we can all agree to set that boundary though because I like it here and it seems otherwise pretty cool.
Absolutely block instances hosting illegal content - the way federation works means copies / caches of content can end up on this server? Or even if that’s not how lemmy does it, it risks using this server to facilitate the spread of something incredibly harmful & damaging.
As far as I’m concerned there’s no argument for allowing / normalising content produced which quite literally ruins peoples lives.
Edit: Even stuff that’s purely cartoonish in nature for me is just grim, and I don’t want to be a part of a community which supports it.
Edit2: If a server can block a specific community posting CSAM then maybe that’s a better solution than blocking the underlying infrastructure. If that’s not possible, I think defederation is the only real way to deal it, as frustrating as that would be for legitimate users.
Its literally not illegal in 90% of countrys because its just drawings. And if you don’t like it block it for yourself. This mindset leads to massive over-blocking.
In general I’d agree and say yeah, let people decide for themselves but content like this, which normalises or legitimises real world harms, shouldn’t be something easily stumbled upon.
Viewing that sort of content, or building community around its enjoyment, isn’t going to lead anywhere good.
Allowing it to show up here is net-negative.
It’s been a long time since I’ve looked, but studies suggest that porn in general doesn’t have a major effect on your behavior. It might lead to insecurity, but it doesn’t lead to action. Some people are worried about legality, most people just don’t want to see it, those are fine and dandy but anything else is just moral outrage
Actually studies around that topic show that porn (regardless of what) does decrease violent things and, most importantly, that this type of hentai we are talking about decreased actual acts of pedophilia and therfore protects real children
I don’t want to see it but if some people like it… Well rather a drawing than anything else.
I think people can have a heathy relationship with porn, and yeah there are a lot of puritanical views that sound superficially convincing, especially in direct comparison to addictive substances.
It’s hard for a lot of people to approach this subject from a place of empathy and I think shunning a group could risk the same harms as condoning the behaviour; you end up with a group that convinces itself of an internally invisible false narrative, and there’s nobody there to oppose it.
The presence of these images though indicates a group of people who think they’re is ok, who are likely accessing more extreme images, and ultimately creates a sense of normalcy around consumption. I don’t think ordinary discussion should be juxtaposed with that and it shouldn’t be freely available on a general purpose site.
That’s not how it works. Instances don’t cache images from other instances. If you hover your mouse over an image you can clearly see the site it’s hosted on is in fact not originating from the instance you’re browsing on. It works like Pleroma, Akkoma, Rebased, and other Pleroma forks.
IANAL, but I believe you can’t be held liable for hosting links to other images on a site, regardless if they’re embedded through the website’s UI. They’re not stored there, afterall. The client is rendering them.
All that gets cached, I believe, is the text and users from remote instances. And by cached, I mean stored in the postgres DB.