What if women’s sexuality is felt differently, and porn isn’t a perfect fit?
Here is how you sound: Do you know much about smut novels? Women must be much more horny given that they buy way more of those than guys do. No reason guys would buy less other than being less horny.
Yes, romance novels are popular, relative to the dying publishing industry. In terms of money per industry, there’s no comparing online porn to smut novels though.
Basically, all you’ve been able to claim is that you have known some ladies you feel are as horny as you think average guys are and no amount of “okay, let’s see if this holds up in the world beyond your perception of a handful of people” will change your mind. It’s kind of wild in a silly little way.
I’m super curious if there’s any evidence anyone could present that would change your mind?
Edit: Was curious, turns out global pornography (all genders) is worth somewhere between 10 and 97 billion annually. In comparison, the entire romance novel industry is worth about almost 1.5 billion.
What would prove it to me? Good question it’d have to be grounded. I don’t like to claim I know things I can’t know. Who’s hornier is just such a tough question. Everyone experiences hornyness in different ways and we can’t really order them or make equivalences easily.
Basically there’d have to be a good definition of “this action equals this much hornyness” and I haven’t seen anything presented that can measure that in a satisfactory way.
I mean I could draw a hot picture for myself for free and that wouldn’t be counted in the frame “horniness is measured in money”. I really am not convinced by the money stats. Sex is often free.
I really don’t think we have the tools to answer this question. At least I haven’t seen them.
I mean, yes, sex is often free but if one gender is willing to pay significantly more it seems like a pretty reasonable indicator that one gender values/desires sex more.
I dunno, just seems like you are very much determined that something is true with zero evidence. Some people have religion, you have this belief. Except with religion, there’s not reams of physical evidence you’ve decided to disregard because you dislike the conclusions they represent.
Homie idk how many times I gotta say it. I’m agnostic to who’s more horny. I get why I seem stubborn.
You can believe what you want. Your evidence is too indirect to convince me.
I really think we’re arguing slightly different things though. Like it is even important for me say wealth inequality in the world means that sex spending better represents rich countries interests? Therefore has a very very large cultural bias. Not abstact, real cultures are different. Lots of people are unaccounted in your metric, and lots of peope are extremely over counted.
I can be convinced, you just haven’t done it. I am not confident the data is out there. Spending definitely has too many flaws to be a good indicator.
I agree that it can look like that at a glance, but why would we expect spending to reflect horniness when sexual expression is less accepted for women in many rich countries? Can you say to what degree that affects it? They may feel just as much hornyness and express it more privately. How can you be confident?
I admit, that if you look at the economic you presented, men spend more on sexual stuff. That is a fine conclusion. But it says very little to me about who is more horny.
They may feel just as much hornyness and express it more privately. How can you be confident?
Great question! If only there were some means to access sexual material in the privacy of one’s home. Some sort of world wide web that allowed users to access pretty much their heart’s desire online… Wait a minute, that exists! And (unsurprisingly) mozt of the sexual material skews heavily male.
For your proposition of equal horniness to be true, one of two must be true: A)women are so repressed they don’t even want sexual materials in which case, even if it’s cultural and not biological, women are functionally less horny or B) they are so terrified that someone will bust in and search their web history which seems kind of a bizzare amount of repression.
For your proposition of equal horniness to be true, one of two must be true: A)women are so repressed they don’t even want sexual materials in which case, even if it’s cultural and not biological, women are functionally less horny or B) they are so terrified that someone will bust in and search their web history which seems kind of a bizzare amount of repression.
This is an extremely uninspired list. Let me help.
Women could be put off from watching porn when first introduced due the male centered industry and generally less acceptance of their sexual expression leading to longer term differences in how they get their fix.
The smut industry while not as lucrative could produce more sexual stimulation per dollar. I know there is a lot of pirating in the smut community. And books take a while to get through.
Porn sites may not capture gender from their user base perfectly.
Again, there are a lot of ways to get off for free. Any women could get on a dating app and get their fix in half a day.
Women centered porn sites may not make as much per view.
I could keep going, but its becoming more work. My point is that there is way too much wiggle room in the money argument. You just can’t account for how our culture affects their expression unless you’ve studied it.
Economics is much better for studying how money moves. Idk why we would use it to try and generalize the experiences of a group. It is exceptionally indirect and biased. It is a silly thing to use as a foundation for that kind of belief.
Edit: removed snarky comment, I was feeling a bit hot
What if women’s sexuality is felt differently, and porn isn’t a perfect fit?
Here is how you sound: Do you know much about smut novels? Women must be much more horny given that they buy way more of those than guys do. No reason guys would buy less other than being less horny.
Yes, romance novels are popular, relative to the dying publishing industry. In terms of money per industry, there’s no comparing online porn to smut novels though.
Basically, all you’ve been able to claim is that you have known some ladies you feel are as horny as you think average guys are and no amount of “okay, let’s see if this holds up in the world beyond your perception of a handful of people” will change your mind. It’s kind of wild in a silly little way.
I’m super curious if there’s any evidence anyone could present that would change your mind?
Edit: Was curious, turns out global pornography (all genders) is worth somewhere between 10 and 97 billion annually. In comparison, the entire romance novel industry is worth about almost 1.5 billion.
https://wordsrated.com/romance-novel-sales-statistics/
https://economics-charts.com/how-much-money-does-pornography-make/
What would prove it to me? Good question it’d have to be grounded. I don’t like to claim I know things I can’t know. Who’s hornier is just such a tough question. Everyone experiences hornyness in different ways and we can’t really order them or make equivalences easily.
Basically there’d have to be a good definition of “this action equals this much hornyness” and I haven’t seen anything presented that can measure that in a satisfactory way.
I mean I could draw a hot picture for myself for free and that wouldn’t be counted in the frame “horniness is measured in money”. I really am not convinced by the money stats. Sex is often free.
I really don’t think we have the tools to answer this question. At least I haven’t seen them.
Edit: spelling
I mean, yes, sex is often free but if one gender is willing to pay significantly more it seems like a pretty reasonable indicator that one gender values/desires sex more.
I dunno, just seems like you are very much determined that something is true with zero evidence. Some people have religion, you have this belief. Except with religion, there’s not reams of physical evidence you’ve decided to disregard because you dislike the conclusions they represent.
Homie idk how many times I gotta say it. I’m agnostic to who’s more horny. I get why I seem stubborn.
You can believe what you want. Your evidence is too indirect to convince me.
I really think we’re arguing slightly different things though. Like it is even important for me say wealth inequality in the world means that sex spending better represents rich countries interests? Therefore has a very very large cultural bias. Not abstact, real cultures are different. Lots of people are unaccounted in your metric, and lots of peope are extremely over counted.
I can be convinced, you just haven’t done it. I am not confident the data is out there. Spending definitely has too many flaws to be a good indicator.
Okay, can you then admit that in rich countries, it appears that men are, on average, hornier than women?
I agree that it can look like that at a glance, but why would we expect spending to reflect horniness when sexual expression is less accepted for women in many rich countries? Can you say to what degree that affects it? They may feel just as much hornyness and express it more privately. How can you be confident?
I admit, that if you look at the economic you presented, men spend more on sexual stuff. That is a fine conclusion. But it says very little to me about who is more horny.
Great question! If only there were some means to access sexual material in the privacy of one’s home. Some sort of world wide web that allowed users to access pretty much their heart’s desire online… Wait a minute, that exists! And (unsurprisingly) mozt of the sexual material skews heavily male.
For your proposition of equal horniness to be true, one of two must be true: A)women are so repressed they don’t even want sexual materials in which case, even if it’s cultural and not biological, women are functionally less horny or B) they are so terrified that someone will bust in and search their web history which seems kind of a bizzare amount of repression.
This is an extremely uninspired list. Let me help.
I could keep going, but its becoming more work. My point is that there is way too much wiggle room in the money argument. You just can’t account for how our culture affects their expression unless you’ve studied it.
Economics is much better for studying how money moves. Idk why we would use it to try and generalize the experiences of a group. It is exceptionally indirect and biased. It is a silly thing to use as a foundation for that kind of belief.
Edit: removed snarky comment, I was feeling a bit hot
Edit: just stumbled on this video, but its whole point is about how the different genders interact with sex differently: https://youtu.be/Qfpj5qQr9KA?si=F-fTAWOPZOK206cD