Sure, and I can’t control systemic problems. I can control my individual purchasing choices, and my point is that you can too. And what do we call large scale individual choice that results in systemic change? A systemic solution!
Buy good games and avoid bad games. That’s the most effective thing you can do to combat predatory practices. Maybe it won’t solve the problem for everyone, but it’ll solve the problem for you.
Your choice doesn’t change this system. The people who fall for this shit matter more than your nonparticipation, by an order of magnitude. Only a slim fraction of them need to pony up five actual dollars per imaginary hat, to make this widespread abuse worth spreading wider. Which is why it’s fucking everywhere - and not going away - despite people like you, chiding others ‘just don’t buy it!’
I’m already not doing it. It’s still a problem, and it demands fixing, and me not doing it plainly will not suffice.
Right. One person’s choice can’t. But one person’s choice turns into recommendations to others, which turns into more and more people making those choices.
That won’t kill predatory games, but it will preserve non predatory games. As long as options exist, I’m satisfied satisfied.
Yeah, you’ve made clear you don’t care if people besides you get tricked into throwing away money. What does a systemic problem matter, so long as you, the protagonist of reality, are safe?
Flip it the other way around. Who am I to say their choice of video game is incorrect? Is it really my responsibility to prevent them from making stupid choices? They’re either adults or have adult guardians, and therefore are capable of making their own choices.
I don’t like gambling and tell others they shouldn’t do it, yet I think they have the right to do it if they want. Likewise for drugs and other “bad” habits. I can’t and shouldn’t control their decisions, even if I’m convinced they’re terrible.
How they choose to get their dopamine is their business, and how I choose to get mine is my business. As long as we can both get what we want, the way we want, I’m happy.
This is just ‘it makes money so it can’t be wrong.’ People chose to get scammed, ergo, not a scam. Zero concern for how they were manipulated into it. In fact, you’ve explicitly told me, any manipulation is 100% fine, unless it’s overt lying. Hooray for the unlimited right to coax money from rubes!
You don’t have to care, because you’re immune to propaganda.
Surely that abusive source of easy cash won’t affect the options available to you! It’s only half the goddamn industry, so far! So long as a game exists, where you can just own it and not be hassled to keep tipping the robot, it’s fine. It’s fine! Who gives one solitary shit about this hundred-billion-dollar behemoth convincing your kids that addiction and frustration are what video games are for?
Who I am, to say someone is being taken advantage of, is an empathetic human being with working eyeballs. Calling people stupid for being taken advantage of blaming the victim.
That’s not the same thing. A scam is when you get something other than what was advertised. These games don’t do that, you get exactly what you pay for. It’s just that they’re charging for things they shouldn’t charge for.
hundred-billion-dollar behemoth convincing your kids that addiction and frustration are what video games are for?
I’m a better parent than that. I don’t let my kids play that nonsense, and I don’t think other parents should as well. I make it very clear to other parents that we won’t be playing those games and why.
But at the end of the day, it’s not my place to force people to think like me. Just like I can choose for my kids what they can play, they can do the same.
People should be free to make stupid decisions as long as they know all the facts. Go ask anyone who plays these games and they’ll admit they’re a bad deal. Yet they play them. They’re not getting scammed, they know exactly what they’re doing. It’s just like someone who smokes cigarettes, they know they’re expensive and bad for their health, but they like how they make them feel.
A scam is when you pay money for bullshit. If someone convinces you to want bullshit, it’s still bullshit.
You recognize a threat to children and their parents… and your entire response is limited to people you know, personally.
Systemic problems are not about you.
It’s still a threat, to millions of people. It’s half the god-damned industry. You know it’s your place to say “this is bullshit,” because you’re telling other parents how to raise their damn wiener kids, and you’re warning your own kids that it’s bullshit!
But god forbid we use any sort of collective action to stop greedy assholes from monetizing innate human shortcomings. People know it’s bullshit, but do it anyway, therefore… it’s not bullshit. They’re not victims, somehow. They’re not addicted to oh my fucking god you used cigarettes as a positive example what is wrong with your entire worldview. Every interaction with you is like a fascinating glimpse of an alternate universe where harm is made-up. How dare we try to prevent it!
No, a scam involves fraud, which means misrepresenting a product.
you’re telling other parents how to raise
No, I’m telling them how I raise mine and why, and only when it’s relevant.
They’re not victims, somehow.
If you do something with full knowledge, then no, you’re not a victim.
cigarettes as a positive example
I think it’s a fantastic example. Everyone agrees they’re harmful, even smokers, yet they continue to use them despite safer alternatives existing. Does that mean they’re too stupid to make their own decisions and we should ban them? No. We should prevent kids from using them, but adults should be free to make their own decisions.
I don’t want to live in a nanny state where the government decides what’s good for me. I want to be treated like an adult, with the responsibilities and consequences that come with that, provided I have accurate information. Instead of banning things, our governments should restrict themselves to advising (e.g. warning labels on cigarettes) and only step in when there’s an actual crime (e.g. fraud), and come down hard on the offender.
Sure, and I can’t control systemic problems. I can control my individual purchasing choices, and my point is that you can too. And what do we call large scale individual choice that results in systemic change? A systemic solution!
Buy good games and avoid bad games. That’s the most effective thing you can do to combat predatory practices. Maybe it won’t solve the problem for everyone, but it’ll solve the problem for you.
Your choice doesn’t change this system. The people who fall for this shit matter more than your nonparticipation, by an order of magnitude. Only a slim fraction of them need to pony up five actual dollars per imaginary hat, to make this widespread abuse worth spreading wider. Which is why it’s fucking everywhere - and not going away - despite people like you, chiding others ‘just don’t buy it!’
I’m already not doing it. It’s still a problem, and it demands fixing, and me not doing it plainly will not suffice.
Right. One person’s choice can’t. But one person’s choice turns into recommendations to others, which turns into more and more people making those choices.
That won’t kill predatory games, but it will preserve non predatory games. As long as options exist, I’m satisfied satisfied.
Yeah, you’ve made clear you don’t care if people besides you get tricked into throwing away money. What does a systemic problem matter, so long as you, the protagonist of reality, are safe?
Flip it the other way around. Who am I to say their choice of video game is incorrect? Is it really my responsibility to prevent them from making stupid choices? They’re either adults or have adult guardians, and therefore are capable of making their own choices.
I don’t like gambling and tell others they shouldn’t do it, yet I think they have the right to do it if they want. Likewise for drugs and other “bad” habits. I can’t and shouldn’t control their decisions, even if I’m convinced they’re terrible.
How they choose to get their dopamine is their business, and how I choose to get mine is my business. As long as we can both get what we want, the way we want, I’m happy.
This is just ‘it makes money so it can’t be wrong.’ People chose to get scammed, ergo, not a scam. Zero concern for how they were manipulated into it. In fact, you’ve explicitly told me, any manipulation is 100% fine, unless it’s overt lying. Hooray for the unlimited right to coax money from rubes!
You don’t have to care, because you’re immune to propaganda.
Surely that abusive source of easy cash won’t affect the options available to you! It’s only half the goddamn industry, so far! So long as a game exists, where you can just own it and not be hassled to keep tipping the robot, it’s fine. It’s fine! Who gives one solitary shit about this hundred-billion-dollar behemoth convincing your kids that addiction and frustration are what video games are for?
Who I am, to say someone is being taken advantage of, is an empathetic human being with working eyeballs. Calling people stupid for being taken advantage of blaming the victim.
That’s not the same thing. A scam is when you get something other than what was advertised. These games don’t do that, you get exactly what you pay for. It’s just that they’re charging for things they shouldn’t charge for.
I’m a better parent than that. I don’t let my kids play that nonsense, and I don’t think other parents should as well. I make it very clear to other parents that we won’t be playing those games and why.
But at the end of the day, it’s not my place to force people to think like me. Just like I can choose for my kids what they can play, they can do the same.
People should be free to make stupid decisions as long as they know all the facts. Go ask anyone who plays these games and they’ll admit they’re a bad deal. Yet they play them. They’re not getting scammed, they know exactly what they’re doing. It’s just like someone who smokes cigarettes, they know they’re expensive and bad for their health, but they like how they make them feel.
A scam is when you pay money for bullshit. If someone convinces you to want bullshit, it’s still bullshit.
You recognize a threat to children and their parents… and your entire response is limited to people you know, personally.
Systemic problems are not about you.
It’s still a threat, to millions of people. It’s half the god-damned industry. You know it’s your place to say “this is bullshit,” because you’re telling other parents how to raise their damn wiener kids, and you’re warning your own kids that it’s bullshit!
But god forbid we use any sort of collective action to stop greedy assholes from monetizing innate human shortcomings. People know it’s bullshit, but do it anyway, therefore… it’s not bullshit. They’re not victims, somehow. They’re not addicted to oh my fucking god you used cigarettes as a positive example what is wrong with your entire worldview. Every interaction with you is like a fascinating glimpse of an alternate universe where harm is made-up. How dare we try to prevent it!
No, a scam involves fraud, which means misrepresenting a product.
No, I’m telling them how I raise mine and why, and only when it’s relevant.
If you do something with full knowledge, then no, you’re not a victim.
I think it’s a fantastic example. Everyone agrees they’re harmful, even smokers, yet they continue to use them despite safer alternatives existing. Does that mean they’re too stupid to make their own decisions and we should ban them? No. We should prevent kids from using them, but adults should be free to make their own decisions.
I don’t want to live in a nanny state where the government decides what’s good for me. I want to be treated like an adult, with the responsibilities and consequences that come with that, provided I have accurate information. Instead of banning things, our governments should restrict themselves to advising (e.g. warning labels on cigarettes) and only step in when there’s an actual crime (e.g. fraud), and come down hard on the offender.