A) this is Texas. It’s a guarantee this will be used to increase jail time for the unwanted of society that are arrested on other charges. Got an of age anime character as your phone background when you’re searched? Congrats that minor theft a racist cop pinned on you is now a felony sex crime. Enjoy getting shanked in prison.
A pt2) this is Texas, the land of the mega church pedophiles and the second largest concentration of Mormons(read pedophiles). This is not a serious bill to help children when rich religious people can rape away.
B) it’s a drawing. What age is a drawing? Police literally cannot discern age in human beings (see the little Lupe trial among dozens of others), on top of that age science in humans is pseudo science at the best of times. Everyone matures at different rates. Some people’s body aren’t done until their thirties. What age is a drawing, given there’s no standard way to tell what age a human is?
C) violent video games do not cause violent behaviors, in fact the correlation is consistently the opposite. Porn availability does not cause sex crimes, in fact the correlation is consistently the opposite. Therefore even if we accept the idea that this is VCSAM, that this is a legitimate bill that will only be used in the best scenarios, that somehow police start to divine the ages of fictional beings correctly at all times, banning it likely does more harm than good.
A & A2 is a good example of how laws are pushed to 11 in many cases. Easy to agree with, for sure.
B is a rough argument and one I do not agree with. Depiction of CP, intentional or not, is not healthy and using the maturity argument for a drawing is bizarre, at best.
The artists should know goddamn well what they are attempting to portray. Saying, “Nope! That drawing of that person is actually a 40 years old but is wearing a school girl dress for the lulz” is kinda odd. We do see that scenario in actual porn, but age is usually easy enough to approximate.
By extension, C is bullshit and draws a false dichotomy between CP and violent video games. I actually believe that legal porn is mostly healthy and satisfies temporary needs. There is nothing wrong with legal porn as it supports what is normally a healthy activity. Violence in video games is a totally different argument, IMHO, and tying it to sexual attraction is simply not the same.
I am fully aware that some laws are overreaching, but your arguments after that are just bad. Depiction of CP (or any porn, for that matter) as a stop-gap for a real addiction usually means a person should seek professional help instead.
(We just got through similar discussions with AI generated CP, ffs.)
C is not bullshit at all. the subject matter being more distasteful does not change the way it interacts with our brains. And we especially shouldn’t make this already pointless concession when dealing with Christian cultists, they’ll use this inch to go for miles if you let them.
For b and c you can like it or not, but given pedophilia is a sexuality that most people think deserves the death penalty, and the state 100% agrees, you’re not going to get people getting professional help. Instead, given the fact unlike even ai CSAM no child is harmed; and given all studies show that there is at worst no link between the media we see and the crimes, and at best a negative correlation, maybe just leave it.
Given how especially US prisons are formatted, it is a death penalty offense if you make something like this jail time.
So ask yourself, is seeing a drawing worth torture and death? If not, let’s not worry about it. We have actual problems. Like food. And shelter. And water.
I am just saying your arguments are bad and I clearly agreed with you about how the legal system is abused. Trying to drive in the abusive nature of the prison system is pointless.
Pedophilia is not something I would personally give any chances on. Maybe I am biased because I have kids. Any support for any activity, depiction or glorification or CP or pseudo-CP I find personally revolting. What the fuck kind of study or link do you need for that? Have you actually read any of the studies you mentioned? (Anyone that says “there are studies” usually haven’t, and they haven’t done any validation of those studies. You can find a study for anything.)
However, a pedophile isn’t a pedophile until they actually commit the actions. Anyone that leverages psudo-CP to get off should know they need some professional assistance. If those fantasies are ever acted upon, I have zero remorse and that person can live in our version of hell until eternity.
Believe me, I am accepting of a wide range of fantasies. Whatever’s. There is something in this world for everyone, and I would know! Running an online sex shop for a bit really exposes a person to some unique fantasies.
So, with that, your arguments sound less like arguments and more like twisted rationalization. With that, I am just blocking you. There is not much more to discuss, TBH. Your lame description of how people are treated in prison when it had zero point in the discussion was fucking weird and something I would consider borderline manipulative.
A) this is Texas. It’s a guarantee this will be used to increase jail time for the unwanted of society that are arrested on other charges. Got an of age anime character as your phone background when you’re searched? Congrats that minor theft a racist cop pinned on you is now a felony sex crime. Enjoy getting shanked in prison.
A pt2) this is Texas, the land of the mega church pedophiles and the second largest concentration of Mormons(read pedophiles). This is not a serious bill to help children when rich religious people can rape away.
B) it’s a drawing. What age is a drawing? Police literally cannot discern age in human beings (see the little Lupe trial among dozens of others), on top of that age science in humans is pseudo science at the best of times. Everyone matures at different rates. Some people’s body aren’t done until their thirties. What age is a drawing, given there’s no standard way to tell what age a human is?
C) violent video games do not cause violent behaviors, in fact the correlation is consistently the opposite. Porn availability does not cause sex crimes, in fact the correlation is consistently the opposite. Therefore even if we accept the idea that this is VCSAM, that this is a legitimate bill that will only be used in the best scenarios, that somehow police start to divine the ages of fictional beings correctly at all times, banning it likely does more harm than good.
A & A2 is a good example of how laws are pushed to 11 in many cases. Easy to agree with, for sure.
B is a rough argument and one I do not agree with. Depiction of CP, intentional or not, is not healthy and using the maturity argument for a drawing is bizarre, at best.
The artists should know goddamn well what they are attempting to portray. Saying, “Nope! That drawing of that person is actually a 40 years old but is wearing a school girl dress for the lulz” is kinda odd. We do see that scenario in actual porn, but age is usually easy enough to approximate.
By extension, C is bullshit and draws a false dichotomy between CP and violent video games. I actually believe that legal porn is mostly healthy and satisfies temporary needs. There is nothing wrong with legal porn as it supports what is normally a healthy activity. Violence in video games is a totally different argument, IMHO, and tying it to sexual attraction is simply not the same.
I am fully aware that some laws are overreaching, but your arguments after that are just bad. Depiction of CP (or any porn, for that matter) as a stop-gap for a real addiction usually means a person should seek professional help instead.
(We just got through similar discussions with AI generated CP, ffs.)
C is not bullshit at all. the subject matter being more distasteful does not change the way it interacts with our brains. And we especially shouldn’t make this already pointless concession when dealing with Christian cultists, they’ll use this inch to go for miles if you let them.
For b and c you can like it or not, but given pedophilia is a sexuality that most people think deserves the death penalty, and the state 100% agrees, you’re not going to get people getting professional help. Instead, given the fact unlike even ai CSAM no child is harmed; and given all studies show that there is at worst no link between the media we see and the crimes, and at best a negative correlation, maybe just leave it.
Given how especially US prisons are formatted, it is a death penalty offense if you make something like this jail time.
So ask yourself, is seeing a drawing worth torture and death? If not, let’s not worry about it. We have actual problems. Like food. And shelter. And water.
I am just saying your arguments are bad and I clearly agreed with you about how the legal system is abused. Trying to drive in the abusive nature of the prison system is pointless.
Pedophilia is not something I would personally give any chances on. Maybe I am biased because I have kids. Any support for any activity, depiction or glorification or CP or pseudo-CP I find personally revolting. What the fuck kind of study or link do you need for that? Have you actually read any of the studies you mentioned? (Anyone that says “there are studies” usually haven’t, and they haven’t done any validation of those studies. You can find a study for anything.)
However, a pedophile isn’t a pedophile until they actually commit the actions. Anyone that leverages psudo-CP to get off should know they need some professional assistance. If those fantasies are ever acted upon, I have zero remorse and that person can live in our version of hell until eternity.
Believe me, I am accepting of a wide range of fantasies. Whatever’s. There is something in this world for everyone, and I would know! Running an online sex shop for a bit really exposes a person to some unique fantasies.
So, with that, your arguments sound less like arguments and more like twisted rationalization. With that, I am just blocking you. There is not much more to discuss, TBH. Your lame description of how people are treated in prison when it had zero point in the discussion was fucking weird and something I would consider borderline manipulative.
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