Collective bargaining should be a right for everyone, eliminating that is a very right wing thing
And where did he eliminate the right to form a union?
My understanding is that unions are protected at the federal level, both through the constitutionally protected freedom of association and various union-related laws. Their power is diminished a bit by right to work laws, but you can still totally form a union if you want, you just might get replaced if you go on strike.
I don’t know what changes Gary Johnson made here, if any.
Everything these people do is no different than the republican party.
Gary Johnson was a Republican when he was governor, in a state dominated by Democrats. That means he appealed to a number of people who would otherwise vote Democrat. That strongly implies that he’s a bit left of the typical Republican, and you can see that in many of the positions he held. It’s inaccurate to call him a libertarian when he was governor, and he never claimed he was (quite the opposite).
He was fiscally conservative, and socially fairly liberal (and got more liberal as time went on). His primary focus as governor was to reduce the size of government, and he actually accomplished it, unlike most Republicans who just talk about it while being socially regressive. Reducing the size of government is a pretty libertarian thing to do.
Warnock defeated Walker by 2.8% in the runoff, from a lead of 0.9% in the regular election.
And? What you’re implying is that Chase Oliver, a Libertarian, appealed more to those on the left than the right in Georgia. Even if we take that as a given, it’s irrelevant because Georgia has runoff elections, so he didn’t spoil anything.
I thought you were talking about his presidential run. In 2024, Trump won the election without a runoff, and my understanding is that he pulled more or less evenly from both parties across the country.
Sorry, I have a lot of meetings today so I can’t hit point by point right now. A few short answers:
State jobs are different than private sector, so protections are not the same, including unions.
The Democratic Party is center/right, not left. Its only considered “the left” in the US.
I don’t care what Gary Johnson calls himself, then or now. Actions matter. I’m a “show, dont tell” kind of person. Gary Johnson has shown time and time again to be perfectly aligned with republicans in his actions.
Chase Oliver was intended to take enough of the votes that s runoff wouldn’t be needed. That it didnt work out that way is irrelevant.
Chase Oliver’s purpose in 2024 was the same. No different than the Green Party.
It’s impossible for a third party to do that, because a runoff happens when no candidate gets >50% of the vote. Taking votes away from the other candidate wouldn’t impact that.
A third party’s purpose is to get a message out. If they can force a runoff, their voice gets that much stronger. They don’t change election outcomes in runoff states.
The spoiler is tailored well enough to pull one side
Enough people are removed from the voter rolls to impact percentages
Access to vote is hard enough in areas they want to be hard to vote in.
You dont deploy a single strategy. You leverage as many as you can.
Even if a runoff is triggered, if you pull enough away to start, you can get enough people to say “Well clearly we aren’t winning anyway” or the legal approach of “Well clearly the runoff was stolen!!”.
So your argument is that a somewhat popular third party would discourage people to vote in the runoff? Here are the votes for the general and the runoff:
general - 3,935,924 - Chase Oliver got 81,365
runoff - 3,541,877 - vote gap was 99,389
So ~400k people voted in the general that didn’t vote in the runoff, but only ~81k people voted for Chase Oliver, and the gap between the top two candidates in the final election was more than the total votes Chase Oliver got.
I don’t see any kind of causation here. Also, Oliver got fewer votes than the previous Libertarian Senate candidate in both of the two previous elections. He’s nothing special here.
Chase Oliver isn’t part of the problem whatsoever, turnout was fantastic in that election and any issues have to do with the governor.
And where did he eliminate the right to form a union?
My understanding is that unions are protected at the federal level, both through the constitutionally protected freedom of association and various union-related laws. Their power is diminished a bit by right to work laws, but you can still totally form a union if you want, you just might get replaced if you go on strike.
I don’t know what changes Gary Johnson made here, if any.
Gary Johnson was a Republican when he was governor, in a state dominated by Democrats. That means he appealed to a number of people who would otherwise vote Democrat. That strongly implies that he’s a bit left of the typical Republican, and you can see that in many of the positions he held. It’s inaccurate to call him a libertarian when he was governor, and he never claimed he was (quite the opposite).
He was fiscally conservative, and socially fairly liberal (and got more liberal as time went on). His primary focus as governor was to reduce the size of government, and he actually accomplished it, unlike most Republicans who just talk about it while being socially regressive. Reducing the size of government is a pretty libertarian thing to do.
And? What you’re implying is that Chase Oliver, a Libertarian, appealed more to those on the left than the right in Georgia. Even if we take that as a given, it’s irrelevant because Georgia has runoff elections, so he didn’t spoil anything.
I thought you were talking about his presidential run. In 2024, Trump won the election without a runoff, and my understanding is that he pulled more or less evenly from both parties across the country.
Still is.
Sorry, I have a lot of meetings today so I can’t hit point by point right now. A few short answers:
It’s impossible for a third party to do that, because a runoff happens when no candidate gets >50% of the vote. Taking votes away from the other candidate wouldn’t impact that.
A third party’s purpose is to get a message out. If they can force a runoff, their voice gets that much stronger. They don’t change election outcomes in runoff states.
It absolutely works if…
You dont deploy a single strategy. You leverage as many as you can.
Even if a runoff is triggered, if you pull enough away to start, you can get enough people to say “Well clearly we aren’t winning anyway” or the legal approach of “Well clearly the runoff was stolen!!”.
Its all strategy for the same end goal.
So your argument is that a somewhat popular third party would discourage people to vote in the runoff? Here are the votes for the general and the runoff:
So ~400k people voted in the general that didn’t vote in the runoff, but only ~81k people voted for Chase Oliver, and the gap between the top two candidates in the final election was more than the total votes Chase Oliver got.
I don’t see any kind of causation here. Also, Oliver got fewer votes than the previous Libertarian Senate candidate in both of the two previous elections. He’s nothing special here.
Chase Oliver isn’t part of the problem whatsoever, turnout was fantastic in that election and any issues have to do with the governor.
OK buddy, enjoy your day.