What someone practiced can do with nothing, and what a newbie can do with nothing, drastically differ.
These dipshits are trying to communicate that this tech offers half-decent results. Immediately. For no effort. They could surely do better, themselves… if they spent an entire year trying. Opportunity be damned, most people just don’t want to. Developing a skill is a process that sucks. Vanishingly few people learn to paint portraits, and code games, and play piano. But any idiot can now use a program to do a half-assed job of all three.
Experienced artists, programmers, and musicians will recognize the flaws. They can declare the results useless slop. But it’s being generated by people who would do even worse without it.
Anyone can cook too, but I bet you’d rather have a generic regular meal than something burnt to a crisp.
No, I would rather get a range of meals between bad and amazing that people put effort into making rather then the same canned mediocrity of a machine.
Go burn some eggs to a char, eat that, and say it’s better than a microwave frozen dinner.
Not everyone is excellent at everything. That’s why there’s specializations.
Some people like to draw, but many just like to see, much like how everyone eats but not necessarily everyone likes to cook. Not everyone likes making art.
I love cooking, and constantly make complex plates.
My wife? It’s extremely stressful for her, and if there was a machine that could just make decent dishes for her when I can’t cook, I’d rather her use that (and I bet she would too).
The other thing you’re confusing is hobby vs need/want.
If I need/want a basic generic wallpaper for some reason, I’m not going to be able to make it, nor do I want to learn to make it, or have time to make it - I already have other things to do / that I like to do instead, like coding or cooking or just plain old work. My wife is actually a talented artist, but I wouldn’t force her to make generic thing she has no interest in making either. For these cases, I spin up the local open source diffusion model (because I’m definitely not paying a company for it, let alone an AI one) and make it in seconds because it’s not something I need to be perfect or with soul etc. Just like we don’t all need to eat 5 star Michelin meals every day (or can).
Even she uses it to look at different styles or get ideas, or even to make something quickly, because it’s better for her than to spend hours making it. And since she actually studied art, she can actually use it better than I, because she knows all the technical art jargon for using in the prompt.
I get that you love art, but just to put you in perspective, you’re acting no different than a hardcore Christian trying to convert an atheist. Sometimes people are okay with a frozen microwave dinner.
Meanwhile, the average person only sees results. They do not seem to share your fundamental aversion to how a JPG was made. They didn’t experience whatever grand philosophical journey produced it. It doesn’t need to be artisanal grass-fed human Art.™ It either provokes an emotional response, or not.
If AI slop is a text in the absence of subtext, it is still a text. Comes with death-of-the-author built in. And people can still say something with works they did not make themselves… as you’re doing right now.
Meanwhile, the average person only sees results. They do not seem to share your fundamental aversion to how a JPG was made. They didn’t experience whatever grand philosophical journey produced it. It doesn’t need to be artisanal grass-fed human Art.™ It either provokes an emotional response, or not.
I’m suggesting people can communicate with images regardless of who made them. What they’re communicating does not have to resemble what an artist originally intended. Surprised Pikachu face.
You could pick ten nature shots out of some catalog, and tell a story just by arranging them in a certain order. If you later found out one image was generated - how would that change your story?
Can you imagine how funny it would be, if that ‘I don’t want your slop’ image turned out to be made in Midjourney? Not one pixel would change, but half the people celebrating it would declare it never meant anything to them. How could it? It’s not art. Anymore.
Meanwhile, Duchamp put a toilet in a museum. He didn’t make it. He just signed it.
What someone practiced can do with nothing, and what a newbie can do with nothing, drastically differ.
These dipshits are trying to communicate that this tech offers half-decent results. Immediately. For no effort. They could surely do better, themselves… if they spent an entire year trying. Opportunity be damned, most people just don’t want to. Developing a skill is a process that sucks. Vanishingly few people learn to paint portraits, and code games, and play piano. But any idiot can now use a program to do a half-assed job of all three.
Experienced artists, programmers, and musicians will recognize the flaws. They can declare the results useless slop. But it’s being generated by people who would do even worse without it.
Source (Mastodon)
Anyone can cook too, but I bet you’d rather have a generic regular meal than something burnt to a crisp.
That’s the vibe the napkin gives.
No, I would rather get a range of meals between bad and amazing that people put effort into making rather then the same canned mediocrity of a machine.
Go burn some eggs to a char, eat that, and say it’s better than a microwave frozen dinner.
Not everyone is excellent at everything. That’s why there’s specializations.
Some people like to draw, but many just like to see, much like how everyone eats but not necessarily everyone likes to cook. Not everyone likes making art.
I love cooking, and constantly make complex plates.
My wife? It’s extremely stressful for her, and if there was a machine that could just make decent dishes for her when I can’t cook, I’d rather her use that (and I bet she would too).
The other thing you’re confusing is hobby vs need/want.
If I need/want a basic generic wallpaper for some reason, I’m not going to be able to make it, nor do I want to learn to make it, or have time to make it - I already have other things to do / that I like to do instead, like coding or cooking or just plain old work. My wife is actually a talented artist, but I wouldn’t force her to make generic thing she has no interest in making either. For these cases, I spin up the local open source diffusion model (because I’m definitely not paying a company for it, let alone an AI one) and make it in seconds because it’s not something I need to be perfect or with soul etc. Just like we don’t all need to eat 5 star Michelin meals every day (or can).
Even she uses it to look at different styles or get ideas, or even to make something quickly, because it’s better for her than to spend hours making it. And since she actually studied art, she can actually use it better than I, because she knows all the technical art jargon for using in the prompt.
I get that you love art, but just to put you in perspective, you’re acting no different than a hardcore Christian trying to convert an atheist. Sometimes people are okay with a frozen microwave dinner.
That’s nice.
Meanwhile, the average person only sees results. They do not seem to share your fundamental aversion to how a JPG was made. They didn’t experience whatever grand philosophical journey produced it. It doesn’t need to be artisanal grass-fed human Art.™ It either provokes an emotional response, or not.
If AI slop is a text in the absence of subtext, it is still a text. Comes with death-of-the-author built in. And people can still say something with works they did not make themselves… as you’re doing right now.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19368623.2024.2368040
Are you seriously suggesting that sharing something made by somebody else is the same as it being made by nobody at all?
I’m suggesting people can communicate with images regardless of who made them. What they’re communicating does not have to resemble what an artist originally intended. Surprised Pikachu face.
You could pick ten nature shots out of some catalog, and tell a story just by arranging them in a certain order. If you later found out one image was generated - how would that change your story?
Can you imagine how funny it would be, if that ‘I don’t want your slop’ image turned out to be made in Midjourney? Not one pixel would change, but half the people celebrating it would declare it never meant anything to them. How could it? It’s not art. Anymore.
Meanwhile, Duchamp put a toilet in a museum. He didn’t make it. He just signed it.
I would never be able to write that well
But eh, people with disabilities don’t exist we shouldn’t try to find solutions for them
Here is a video of a disabled artist drawing with their mouth: https://www.instagram.com/g.darkins/p/DCPqpuihYCz/?img_index=1
Final Result:
Please do not insult disabled artists like that.
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