Like what do you expect, if your fantasy of Israel getting demolished would ever come to fruition - that the Muhammadians would decide to live in peace and would give up all their theocratic goals and establish a secular democratic state?

Or are you guys fine with them continuing to persecute all the minorities the progressives have been trying to protect all along?

Do you think you’ll be able to persuade them to one day abandon their religion? Well, if they had abandoned their religion, the Hamas charter wouldn’t have quoted Hadeeths that call for the destruction of the Jews as a prerequisite condition for the “Last Hour” to arrive. And even the earlier wars too wouldn’t have happened, because it’s only because Daar al-Islaam can never be lost that they didn’t want Jews to settle in except as Dhimmi-s under their dream of a pan-Arab state.

After the Holocaust, Jews had only asked for a partition based on the lands they held by purchases, and that was reflected in the map of the UN Partition Plan of 1947. But they didn’t want it, and that’s how the war began and they lost.

In fact, the whole reason Britain colonized the entire region was because the Arabs led by the Wahhabist-Saud alliance wanted to overthrow the Turkish Ottoman Empire Caliphate and have Arabs rule the Caliphate. Their own racist greed against their own people was the reason for the colonization.

And unless you believe in fake photos of cars in 17th century Palestine, it wasn’t a heavily populated region that didn’t have room for immigration. The data clearly says otherwise. The Muhammadians simply did not want Jews to have a state in what they held a “their” Holy Land.

You can support them now, since the Western Christian Right wing are your enemies. But you give up your principles to support them, and if you ever got what you wanted - which, hell no, you wouldn’t, due to your stupidity - they would turn on you. Because no believing Muhammadian would ever tolerate Leftist policies.

Israel kills babies - yeah, and you think they are going for the babies specifically? Do you not know that there are 2 billion Muhammadians and 15 million Jews? Do you not think they all can resonate their opinion louder, because Muhammadians only care about attaining their own goals and calling others to their Deen?

War is a part of reality, when there are enemies. You think “no, Israel is causing war out of their greed”, but then that only shows that for now, your enemy is Israel. And you think if they could be stopped, the entire notion of war in humanity could be ended. But you have no brainy explanation for why “they” are the enemies right now - as if some demonic entity flicked some switches to create evil people and left, never to come back. And then “you guys” ended up being the “good guys” somehow. Wow, nice virtue signalling.

And then, you side with the guys who further follow a more tightened up and reinforced version of their religion built by a guy (Muhammad, should I say Salallaahu Alaayihi Wasallam now?) who prohibited all progressive reforms that the Rabbi-s made, and assumed control enough to ask Jews in his locality who were engaged in adultery what the Torah says their punishment should be, and when they said they didn’t know, had one brought before them, and had them executed, saying that “they had innovated”? Now that there’s the internet and a popularity of the Wahhabist reformation, the same mentality is only getting more popular.

I have a working brain, and I know that between the two sets of cultures I’d be completely safe if there were more Jews who known how to mind their own business than Muhammadians who can’t avoid coming to every region and strive to restrict all criticism of religion, and to eventually prohibit things disapproved by Sharee’yah, and then no one can do anything because they exert force by popularity.

No, “genocide” “is not a solution”. No one is saying that. But their behaviour leads to war, and this “genocide” is what happens as a consequence of such wars. This group is probably already a brainrot center if it’s entertaining such stupid ideas.

If you think they seem nicer, maybe you should also know that it is taught to them in their books, in a way that does not exist in any other texts - to pretend to be nice and blend in, because “war is deceit” and all that. Once they get power, if you tell them, “but we supported you”, the “peaceful ones” among them will just give you a sorry face and tell you “we won by Allah’s grace”, and “we hope you’d see the light of Islam”. Cry all you want in wishful thinking, but I know what it is, and any one else among you who has a brain would too.

My idea of progressivism is something that leads to peace, not backing stupid theocrats that spread violence wherever they go.

  • jyoskykidOP
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    9 days ago

    False. Israel is not a theocratic state. It is a democratic state built primarily for the people of the Jewish ethnicity and/or religion. And 20% of it’s population are Arab Muslims.

    And they also don’t spread violence wherever they go. They just don’t want to go anywhere else, and these guys won’t let them. It’s only the Muhammadians, and Christians too to a lesser extent, that do that.

    You’re accusimg the leftists who condemn Israel of being pro-Palestine, when that’s actually two separate issues, and it’s in fact quite easy to condemn the patently evil oppression and slaughter of innocents without supporting the government under which they live.

    And at the same time, in your rush to opposevthe undeniable toxicity of Islamic fundamentalism, you’re ignoring or excusing the laundry list of atrocities in which Israel engages on a literally daily basis.

    It’s not an evil oppression and slaughter of the innocents, because they are not slaughtering them because they want their land. If the Muhammadians cared, they’d be opposing Hamas, but none of them ever raise voice against them. And I never see any Muhammadians ever raising voice for oppressed minorities. This cult only cares about its own members and to spread its religion. Jews have never been like that. They just need a spot to live in peace, and they’ve never tried to convert anyone.

    If you had the working brain you claim to have, you’d be able to make the small stretch to condemning both Islamic oppression and Zionist oppression, instead of ignorantly treating it as an all or nothing prospect in which opposition to one requires support for the other.

    I’m not a war expert to question Zionist oppression. I think if there was a better way of fighting the war, Israel would have done it. Muhammadians are a very special type of enemies who don’t behave like normal people. You’ll get that if you see how the Judeo-Christian Bible is chronologically ordered, while the Qur’aan, which backs off Bible stories explains stories in no sensible order, and you sort of have to bend your brain a lot to make sense of all that it says, and it has an entire 20k+ and more sets of Hadeeths that you have to connect in various ways to get the nuances of when to do Jihaad and all that. Think of a very shady and large (possibly the largest ever) T&C document. That affects their brains too as they spend their life studying it, in a culture that enforces it.

    I’ve studied these things after some of these idiots tried to convert me, and I know if there is any form of deception that’s possible, it’s in their plans. Of course, there are many peaceful people, but I’m talking about the ideology. Another example is how, just as with the right interpretation of Qur’aan 9:1 and associated Sunnah conditions which says that “indefinite term treaties” can always be broken by believers - Pakistan recently violated the ceasefire they themselves asked for within 3 hours to fire more drones at India, in a war they started by terrorism. Unconventional enemies requires unconventional warfare tactics.

    If an ideology says “indefinite term treaties” cannot be valid, how can you ever hope of having peace with them? I don’t even have time and space to list out all the numerous clear and doubt-free Hadeeths validating Jihaad, which they spend their lives studying, and the Leftists ignore.