I like this platform, and hope it succeeds, however I have a question for the community - what are everyone’s thoughts on creators? I am one, for transparency-sake, and I am pretty sure we are not wanted here, since most of us have Adventures/ Art / Battle maps / Patreons / Kickstarters / Products to sell, even though we frequently give a lot of stuff for free to the community. Thoughts?
I’m just confused by what you are asking. Are you asking if this community is OK with you self promoting D&D related stuff you made and want to sell? If it were up to me, I would say yes within reason, no one wants this community to become one loud ad. But I’m not sure the moderator would agree and it is up to them. I don’t see a no self-promotion rule yet but maybe message them directly?
If you just want to share content you found and generally participate like normal then I am absolutely sure you are wanted here.
My question was about the community’s outlook on the presence of creators in this space - and yes, that means at least some of the stuff they’d post would be self-promotion.
I dont think that the platform should turn into just a wall of ads, all of the subreddits had sensible rules for that, like only posting once a week etc.
The instance that this community is on does not allow ads. I do not know whether self-promotions fall under that… I feel like it does? So that would mean none of us are welcome here, at least in professional capacity.
You should always follow the rules of the instance, of course. But if you want to do something that is not within the rules of the instance, you can always set up your own instance or find another instance where this is allowed. Even if a community (like a subreddit) on an instance thinks a certain, way, they can’t conflict with the instance rules.
Creators would probably have to try sharing things in a way that users would not consider it an add. But those lines would be quite blurry, without any clarification from the instance moderators.
I, myself, have very limited time availability, and I really doubt I would have enough technical knowledge to set up an instance myself. I am also already running 2 discord communities… so right now running an instance on top of that is just not an option. That leaves me I guess just to wait and see if someone else creates something like that. Risking blurring lines on instance rules, investing my time and energy into a community that will likely ban me isn’t particularly appealing either :(.
That makes a lot of sense, hosting an instance is definitely not for everyone. But from what @[email protected] posted, it seems things like that would be allowed here. But it might be a good idea to bring this up in [email protected] That is the general lemmy.world community, there we can get input from the instance admins.
Well, based on the linked rules, I guess it should be fine here.
Great idea about bringing it up in lemmyworld for the admins! I might actually do that tomorrow! Thanks!
I spent a while looking for a “no ads” rule and then I figured it out.
Your home instance sh.itjust.works , where your account lives, has a rule of no ads. Lemmy.world, where this D&D community lives, does not appear to (yet) have a broad rule against advertisements.
I would still ask the mod before posting self promotion tho.
here are the only rules relevant lemmy.world I could find (from mastadon.world):
“Regarding Spam: We are not your free advertising platform. If you are here only to sell your products or services, you will be removed. Occasional posts of commercial links are OK, but when the vast majority of a user’s posts are commercial in nature, we regard the account as a Spam account. Moderators will evaluate reports of Spam on a case by case basis.”
so it seems just do it in a restrained way and don’t let it be the majority of your content and it should be ok?
I mean… thing is… On reddit i have 80k karma because of my content posts. 99% of my posts there are my content posts. That would be considered “spamming” here, even if I only post once a week.
I’d much rather spend time painting an extra battle map for the community than sit on lemmy to hit whatever quota of interaction to not be considered a spammer.
If 99% of your posts are advertising your content, then you are not engaging with the community, you are looking at it as a free advertising opportunity. It’s no different than those people on social media who only post links to their onlyfans or some other side hustle. I don’t come here to read ads for content. I come here to interact with other gamers, to learn and share, not to profit off them.
I would interpret as an expectation that if you’re selling things then it’s ok of your an engaged member of the community. It’s not a market place where you call out to potential buyers and ask if they want to see your stuff, it’s a pub where you chat to the regulars and occasionally sell them stuff. I think the other comment about having a dedicated creator space for this sort of thing would be a good move.
I’m not the person in charge, but if I were to interpret that rule, it seems like it is basically trying to keep the content quality good. If self-promotion becomes a drag on the overall content quality, it would probably be called spam. if your self-promotion is interesting and contributes to the community, no one would probably ever bat an eye that it was most of your posts.
the best and most honest way to sort this out is to find some people in charge and run it by them. unfortunately, except for @[email protected] our mod, I doubt any of them are spending a lot of time in this community, so like @[email protected] said, you probably should ask elsewhere.
Yeah, I’ll post there tomorrow. Thanks for the advice! I have a feeling it’s just not going to be an option though. “Good” and “interesting” content is subjective. What happens when I post a bunch of “good” content and then a dud? I hope I wouldn’t, but sometimes stuff just doesn’t hit, and then it would mean a ban for me if enough people didnt think it was good enough? Doesnt seem worth the risk.
I just want to say, try to be optimistic about this.
right now these communities are very new and small. they don’t have a lot going on. most content at the moment is good content, just because we want stuff to fill out the front page.
if you want to message me about the stuff you make, I’m now very curious about it
Yeah, you are totally right! Everything is very fresh here, still forming. I’ll see if I can start a conversation tomorrow with the general lemmy.world admins/ mods.
And I appreciate your interest! I sneakily posted one of my recent maps in one of the communities here haha, so you can see it on my profile.
Pinterest is probably the platform to get a really good glimpse at the stuff I make overall though https://www.pinterest.com/domilleswondrousworks
As far as I know, we don’t have user based karma here. Only posts and comments get a score. But we really should make sure that the community does not get over-run with a specific type of post. Unless the community is for that specific purpose, of course.
But I can imagine that not every instance would like to host a “share your Kickstarter project” community, as those posts will also show up for the users that like to read all local posts. Here on Lemmy.world that feed would already be a full of stuff you aren’t interested in though, but that’s my opinion and I also never used r/all or any of the other extremely broad subreddits.
Karma wasn’t really the point I was trying to make. I was just trying to say that I posted a lot of content on Reddit, a lot of it highly upvoted. I followed all the rules there too - not posting more than once a week on certain subreddits etc. However, that was 99% of my activity on reddit. If I was to do the same here, I would be considered a spammer, and likely banned.
oh I thought for sure I saw a no ads rule on lemmy.world as well. I am on Gerboa now, no idea how to get to instance rules on this app O.O
yeah gerboa (and lemmy in general tbh) are very unfinished software. I’ve found if I want to be able to access everything on mobile, going back and forth between gerboa and my mobile browser was necessary.
maybe this link will help? this is the rules for lemmy.world and mastadon.world: https://mastodon.world/about