Been testing Kbin and Tildes, and I like the way Tildes does it. There are upvotes, no downvotes. Instead, there are also labels that can be applied like joke and off-topic. There’s even an analogue of gilding via an exemplary label which has an 8-hour cool down and requires typing a brief reason.
Tildes wants to encourage longer, thoughtful discussion so jokes get pushed to the bottom by default. Currently no option to custom sort that I could see if, for example, you want to read funny comments instead—and that’s fine.
Point is, a better system than upvotes/downvotes would be nice as a general feature for aggregators going forward.
That would be a pity -personally I think downvotes, for all they can be abused, are a necessary counterpart to upvotes if you’re going to have a voting system at all. “All attention is good attention” doesn’t work well in real life or online.
Now if a change was made to allow individual magazines to choose upvotes+downvotes, only upvotes or none at all, I think there’s a better case for that - let people try different systems for different circumstances,
I hope they don’t do this, I’ll have to jump ship again. Downvotes are useful for seeing how a comment is actually being received. Say something that sounds true but isn’t? You can see the downvotes, without it you only see the upvotes and upvote the person thinking it is the truth. This happened on youtube, you can’t tell which videos are actually giving you the right knowledge for say a technical problem, all the bad tutorials just seem to be upvoted. I’ve also seen highly upvoted comments on reddit that were completely full of shit, you can’t see how many people downvoted.
The problem is many Lemmy instances don’t use downvotes (like beehaw), so posts and replies from those sites will unnaturally rise to the top and drown out other users.
i could be wrong, but i feel like upvotes make downvotes unnecessary, as upvoted content will naturally be recognized, while comments that don’t get upvotes probably aren’t valuable (and they might totally be valuable… just unnoticed)
i will say… i do like that kbin shows upvotes and downvotes together. feels less shitty.
alternatively… could be more shitty if you get a ton of downvotes and no upvotes!
When used correctly (for irrelevant/trolling/toxic comments etc., not for disagreement) it is useful as a community filter.
Been testing Kbin and Tildes, and I like the way Tildes does it. There are upvotes, no downvotes. Instead, there are also labels that can be applied like joke and off-topic. There’s even an analogue of gilding via an exemplary label which has an 8-hour cool down and requires typing a brief reason.
Tildes wants to encourage longer, thoughtful discussion so jokes get pushed to the bottom by default. Currently no option to custom sort that I could see if, for example, you want to read funny comments instead—and that’s fine.
Point is, a better system than upvotes/downvotes would be nice as a general feature for aggregators going forward.
Ernest has said he’s open to removing downvotes altogether. I’m sure it will be brought up again.
https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/3
That would be a pity -personally I think downvotes, for all they can be abused, are a necessary counterpart to upvotes if you’re going to have a voting system at all. “All attention is good attention” doesn’t work well in real life or online.
Now if a change was made to allow individual magazines to choose upvotes+downvotes, only upvotes or none at all, I think there’s a better case for that - let people try different systems for different circumstances,
I hope they don’t do this, I’ll have to jump ship again. Downvotes are useful for seeing how a comment is actually being received. Say something that sounds true but isn’t? You can see the downvotes, without it you only see the upvotes and upvote the person thinking it is the truth. This happened on youtube, you can’t tell which videos are actually giving you the right knowledge for say a technical problem, all the bad tutorials just seem to be upvoted. I’ve also seen highly upvoted comments on reddit that were completely full of shit, you can’t see how many people downvoted.
The problem is many Lemmy instances don’t use downvotes (like beehaw), so posts and replies from those sites will unnaturally rise to the top and drown out other users.
Lovin’ this dude more and more @ernest
it has literally never been used correctly and if you believe otherwise I’ll downvote you.
i could be wrong, but i feel like upvotes make downvotes unnecessary, as upvoted content will naturally be recognized, while comments that don’t get upvotes probably aren’t valuable (and they might totally be valuable… just unnoticed)
i will say… i do like that kbin shows upvotes and downvotes together. feels less shitty.
alternatively… could be more shitty if you get a ton of downvotes and no upvotes!