The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don’t think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the “second in command”

  • kukkurovacaEnglish
    468·
    2 years ago

    lol, defederating is not anything like jail

    • Federating is like sitting at a big table with a bunch of people in a restaurant.
    • Blocking is moving a couple seats down from someone who’s being an asshole so you can’t hear them anymore (but meanwhile they’re still harassing your friends, you’re just ignoring it)
    • Defederating is separating the group so that you’re no longer at the table with the asshole and their asshole friends

    Now, in a tolerant society, we should be tolerant of people who are merely annoying. But not people who are normalizing violence and hate. There are people you fundamentally should not sit at a table with.

    It’s important to understand the difference between a good faith disagreement and bad faith propaganda and harassment campaigns, which is what the right wing troll farms deal in.

    • Difficult_Bit_1339English
      1824·
      2 years ago

      Defederating is separating the group so that you’re no longer at the table with the asshole and their asshole friends

      The issue is that you’re no longer choosing who you interact with you’re choosing who everyone interacts with. You’re walking away with a table that other people are sitting at. This isn’t Reddit you’re not banning their subreddit, they’re not deplatformed, you’re just adding them to the block list of everyone on your instance.

      You have no right to tell me what I can see and respond to anymore than I have a right to tell you who you can and cannot block.

      • kukkurovacaEnglish
        375·
        2 years ago

        You have no right to tell me what I can see and respond to anymore than I have a right to tell you who you can and cannot block.

        That’s also not what defederating is. Nobody’s speech or ability to see speech is being restricted, since we are all free to set up accounts on other instances. Users are making a reasonable request to the instance owner for a normal moderation action that is in line with stated community standards and past defederation decisions (i.e., lemmygrad); the instance owner is free to honor it or not.

        The basic question, which every fediverse instance has been having to deal with since inception, is how to draw the line on communities that willingly include bad actors. It has to be drawn somewhere, and where you draw it says a lot.

        • f(loat || loathe)@burggit.moeEnglish
          22·
          2 years ago

          moderation action that is in line with stated community standards and past defederation decisions (i.e., lemmygrad);

          analogy is not too good tho cuz lemmygrad

          1. actively denies genocide
          2. actively calls for violent action against people who they disagree with
          3. actively goes out of their way to troll other instances
          4. actively promotes creating accounts in other instances to go and troll them

          i don’t see any of these in exploding heads, and in fact i see that exploding heads has been moderating by deleting violent content

        • Difficult_Bit_1339English
          917·
          2 years ago

          If you blocked everyone on that server, you’d never see them again.

          If you de-defederate them then nobody here can see them and you’ve blocked everybody on that instance for everyone on this instance.

          If you block them it doesn’t affect what I can read and respond to. If you de-federate this instance from their instance then you are choosing who I can see and who I can read and who I can respond to.

          From your point of view there is zero difference between them being de-federated and you blocking their users and communities. From my point of view there is a significant difference between them being de-federated and you blocking their users and communities.

          If you were just worried about seeing what they write then you’d block them. If you run a community and are worried about their users posting in your community, you can set up a moderation script that blocks posts coming from their server.

          You’re trying to make choices that affect how other people on this instance interact with the entire Fediverse. It is not your role to decide what other users can read and respond to.

          • eta_aquarid@kbin.social
            175·
            2 years ago

            you can leave the instance if you don’t like it; this allows you to access the rest of the fediverse; saying “you’re blocked from the entire fediverse” is not a good reason to not defed because it’s fundamentally not true

      • nasal_demon@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
        102·
        2 years ago

        You have no right to tell me what I can see and respond to anymore than I have a right to tell you who you can and cannot block.

        This isn’t Reddit you’re not banning their subreddit, they’re not deplatformed, you’re just adding them to the block list of everyone on your instance.

        • Difficult_Bit_1339English
          76·
          2 years ago

          I can manage my own block list. You can manage your own block list.

          You can’t manage my block list, and I can’t manage your block list. Fair?