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Lots of chatter in here about not supporting the conservatives. But, there’s no options for Canadians.
Ok…but why elect a government that we KNOW is going to be worse? That hurts us. They cut revenue, cut services, run up the deficit and the debt, then lose and blame the Liberals for their mess. We would be better off to just stick with the Liberals who are bumbling idiots but at least they aren’t actively trying to fuck us over to give billions of dollars to the wealthy and corporations. That doesn’t make any fucking sense.
I hear you. But I think both are equally damaging, ultimately. One party might accelerate the process, and the other may drag the damage out over decades. But we end up in the same place.
And, just spitballin’ here, maybe an accelerated view of how destructive liberal capitalism is may be exactly what Canadians need to jolt us out of our world-renowned complacency. I dunno what it’ll take to get Canadians fired up enough to seek actual change. Clearly raging forest fires, a housing crisis, a health care crisis, drug addition crisis, rampant depression and anxiety, rampant inflation, ballooning cost of living, and political corruption (both domestic and foreign) isn’t enough. So, maybe shit needs to get even worse before it gets better. Aka. Vote in the conservatives?
No, we don’t end up in the same place. While the liberals are not great, neither the liberals or the NDP will erode our social progress like the conservatives will. Both would also probably be better for the environment if that’s your jam.
Literally the only reason to vote for the conservatives is if you agree with their campaign of hate and intolerance. If you want social regression go vote for them, but you wont’ get anything else out of them.
Why add losing the social progress we have made over decades to the mix? If what we need is further left why vote far right? Nothing is going to happen quickly. If the US goes authoritarian it will likely take decades to bring it back. How does electing white supremacist, white nationalist, racist, conspiracy theorist supported neo-fascists/christofascists help the average Candian who is socially progressive in the short, mid, and long term?
I think you might be missing the point of what I am saying. I’m not suggesting that “further left” is what we need. The right-left dichotomy is just two sides of the same thing, and it’s that thing that is fundamentally broken. Moving right or left does nothing to change anything. I don’t think we need to move left. I think we need to throw out the whole thing. It isn’t the conservatives that are the source of these bad things you’re naming (white-supremacy, neofacismz intolerance, and hate). That stuffs baked into the whole colonial liberal capitalist “democracy” we have inherited. Any party that supports the continuation of that system is white supremacist, racist, fascist, etc. Our whole economic and political system IS those things. Not any single party. Some just own up to it better (like the conservatives). But liberals and the NDP, too, fundamentally support our democratic and economic systems. But those systems are foundationally to be blamed. We can’t tweak them to be better. We can’t fix the foundationally exploitative nature of capitalism. It’s a feature, not a bug. And we can’t tweak the Westminster style of parliamentary government to be less racists or discriminatory. That’s in-built. It’s what indigenous groups have been saying for decades (centuries?).
Back to my original point, lots of voices in here saying don’t support the conservatives. And, I mean, I agree. They suck. But they all suck. They all wanna perpetuate the nonsense. Sure, some wanna perpetuate it in “nicer” or “more inclusive” ways. But no one actually wants to CHANGE anything. They just wanna tweak and adjust and manage the foundational problems of our systems. So, conservative or not, they’re all perpetuating hate and discrimination and poverty and authoritarianism. My point wasn’t “don’t vote NDP” or “vote conservative”. My point was anyone who actually wants change doesn’t have a voice. There is no party advocating for change.
I’m a socialist libertarian, BTW. I want the smallest government that is necessary to run the country. I don’t want corporations to write laws. I want laws that protect the people, and workers, and consumers, not the wealthy and corporations but I’m also smart enough to know that the only solution to a social problem is a social solution.
I believe that the people who do most of the work, the workers, should enjoy most of the benefit.
No we don’t need things to get worse to get better. There’s no guarantee they’ll get better. They could just get worse for decades or centuries. I’m not gonna give up a lot of what I find valuable in my lifetime to test this hypothesis. Especially when we have proven solutions. And so I’ll vote ABC. That means LPC in my riding, at least until the NDP find a leader that can become a PM.
Ok…but why elect a government that we KNOW is going to be worse? That hurts us. They cut revenue, cut services, run up the deficit and the debt, then lose and blame the Liberals for their mess. We would be better off to just stick with the Liberals who are bumbling idiots but at least they aren’t actively trying to fuck us over to give billions of dollars to the wealthy and corporations. That doesn’t make any fucking sense.
I hear you. But I think both are equally damaging, ultimately. One party might accelerate the process, and the other may drag the damage out over decades. But we end up in the same place.
And, just spitballin’ here, maybe an accelerated view of how destructive liberal capitalism is may be exactly what Canadians need to jolt us out of our world-renowned complacency. I dunno what it’ll take to get Canadians fired up enough to seek actual change. Clearly raging forest fires, a housing crisis, a health care crisis, drug addition crisis, rampant depression and anxiety, rampant inflation, ballooning cost of living, and political corruption (both domestic and foreign) isn’t enough. So, maybe shit needs to get even worse before it gets better. Aka. Vote in the conservatives?
No, we don’t end up in the same place. While the liberals are not great, neither the liberals or the NDP will erode our social progress like the conservatives will. Both would also probably be better for the environment if that’s your jam.
Literally the only reason to vote for the conservatives is if you agree with their campaign of hate and intolerance. If you want social regression go vote for them, but you wont’ get anything else out of them.
Why add losing the social progress we have made over decades to the mix? If what we need is further left why vote far right? Nothing is going to happen quickly. If the US goes authoritarian it will likely take decades to bring it back. How does electing white supremacist, white nationalist, racist, conspiracy theorist supported neo-fascists/christofascists help the average Candian who is socially progressive in the short, mid, and long term?
I think you might be missing the point of what I am saying. I’m not suggesting that “further left” is what we need. The right-left dichotomy is just two sides of the same thing, and it’s that thing that is fundamentally broken. Moving right or left does nothing to change anything. I don’t think we need to move left. I think we need to throw out the whole thing. It isn’t the conservatives that are the source of these bad things you’re naming (white-supremacy, neofacismz intolerance, and hate). That stuffs baked into the whole colonial liberal capitalist “democracy” we have inherited. Any party that supports the continuation of that system is white supremacist, racist, fascist, etc. Our whole economic and political system IS those things. Not any single party. Some just own up to it better (like the conservatives). But liberals and the NDP, too, fundamentally support our democratic and economic systems. But those systems are foundationally to be blamed. We can’t tweak them to be better. We can’t fix the foundationally exploitative nature of capitalism. It’s a feature, not a bug. And we can’t tweak the Westminster style of parliamentary government to be less racists or discriminatory. That’s in-built. It’s what indigenous groups have been saying for decades (centuries?).
Back to my original point, lots of voices in here saying don’t support the conservatives. And, I mean, I agree. They suck. But they all suck. They all wanna perpetuate the nonsense. Sure, some wanna perpetuate it in “nicer” or “more inclusive” ways. But no one actually wants to CHANGE anything. They just wanna tweak and adjust and manage the foundational problems of our systems. So, conservative or not, they’re all perpetuating hate and discrimination and poverty and authoritarianism. My point wasn’t “don’t vote NDP” or “vote conservative”. My point was anyone who actually wants change doesn’t have a voice. There is no party advocating for change.
Ok.
You’re right. I agree.
I’m a socialist libertarian, BTW. I want the smallest government that is necessary to run the country. I don’t want corporations to write laws. I want laws that protect the people, and workers, and consumers, not the wealthy and corporations but I’m also smart enough to know that the only solution to a social problem is a social solution.
I believe that the people who do most of the work, the workers, should enjoy most of the benefit.
No we don’t need things to get worse to get better. There’s no guarantee they’ll get better. They could just get worse for decades or centuries. I’m not gonna give up a lot of what I find valuable in my lifetime to test this hypothesis. Especially when we have proven solutions. And so I’ll vote ABC. That means LPC in my riding, at least until the NDP find a leader that can become a PM.