Obviously Nazism is evil, but the US isn’t ideologically opposed to Nazism (quite the opposite), so their rise to power is just the rise of one Nazi power at the expense of another (allowing the US as a world power emerging from WWII to massacre millions across the world). Besides, OP said intentionally good, this was incidental insofar as it aided in undoing Nazi ethnic cleaning (as well as “don’t include the times it was repairing damage it did”, as encompassed in the US inspiring Nazism).
That makes the definition very broad indeed. In that case I’d have a hard time seeing any country satisfy it. Since everything impacts everything else in some way, and since an entire nation never have completely spotless intentions, no country ever would fit these criteria as you’ve expanded them.
Name me a time when [a country] was intentionally and objectively good and don’t include times it was repairing damage it did.
The DPRK’s support for Algerian independence under the NLF and recognition of the Algerian state as a sign of internationalist progressive policy; DPRK’s support for the national liberation struggle of the Mozambican people; the USSR’s aid to Korea in gaining independence from Japan and the PRC’s deployment of troops to wage war against the occupying U.S. imperialists in the Korean Peninsula; the USSR’s support for the Cuban struggle against U.S. imperialism; the PLA’s liberation of Tibet from feudal theocracy with the support of the toiling masses of Tibet; the USSR’s support for the Nicaraguan Sandinistas against the reactionary U.S.-backed “guerilla” Contras; these are a few examples.
Having a government in power that you backed is beneficial to you, therefore it isn’t altruistic. So it isn’t fully objectively good as someone above objected.
Now you’re changing the definition of good to exclude anything that benefits you. Hugging your mother isn’t objectively good. And for no other reason than in this narrow context in an argument it helps you save face.
At what point do you cool off? You’ve been shown to be shamefully ignorant on pretty much every topic you’ve engaged with in this thread. When do you stop acting like you’re right about literally fucking everything and just give up on some arguments? Why do you have to go 12 rounds on pedantic bullshit like this? When if ever do you just chill the fuck out and start acting like you have things to learn about the world?
And no. The person you’re referring to did not say that the US joining WW2 wasn’t objectively good because it lacked altruism. They said it was because their intentions were entirely selfish. There’s a distinction.
Why do you have to go 12 rounds on pedantic bullshit like this?
Good question. I had hoped I would give an argument that the US is not incalculably worse than authoritarian regimes like Russia and China. But y’all seem to really like them despite reality, and there are way too many of you to talk to.
And this isn’t good for my sleep schedule, so I’ll manually defederate by blocking all your subs. Bye, thanks for being reasonable
It’s fucking wild how many times you’ve run face first into examples of not knowing what you’re talking about and being 100% wrong about and then continuing to say shit like “despite reality” as if you have any fucking idea what that reality is.
You were probably going to get banned for all this debatebro bullshit anyway
Fuck you, you admit you can’t actually make an argument, and yet you try to hide behind your imaginary version of “reality”. If reality was supportive of you, then you wouldn’t have had such an issue with finding an argument.
You should give evidence for why the US is better than those two states instead of concern trolling or relying on truisms from the lies in the propaganda you’ve deemed worthy to repeat as fact .
Fair enough on being barraged, but you could just make a separate post asserting your position on the US and why it is in fact better than its rivals. Even in your responses, you just reverted to “were not that bad because my enemies are worse” while denying the validity of the crimes of the US’s recent past and present role in sewing chaos and death.
I’m a little annoyed you haven’t been banned though, Since you’re not really engaging or evaluating our opinion but just trying to force yours onto us - as ritual to purge doubts from your mind about US virtue - believing if we affirm your reality we can banish your doubts.
" We’re bad but everyone else is worse" is just nationalist chauvinist praise asserting “we’re the best because everyone else is worse, therefore there’s no need to change”.
You are a concern troll acting in bad faith and I am irritated that our mod team has not banned you as such, though I suspect it has to do with the time of day more than anything.
Obviously Nazism is evil, but the US isn’t ideologically opposed to Nazism (quite the opposite), so their rise to power is just the rise of one Nazi power at the expense of another (allowing the US as a world power emerging from WWII to massacre millions across the world). Besides, OP said intentionally good, this was incidental insofar as it aided in undoing Nazi ethnic cleaning (as well as “don’t include the times it was repairing damage it did”, as encompassed in the US inspiring Nazism).
That makes the definition very broad indeed. In that case I’d have a hard time seeing any country satisfy it. Since everything impacts everything else in some way, and since an entire nation never have completely spotless intentions, no country ever would fit these criteria as you’ve expanded them.
The DPRK’s support for Algerian independence under the NLF and recognition of the Algerian state as a sign of internationalist progressive policy; DPRK’s support for the national liberation struggle of the Mozambican people; the USSR’s aid to Korea in gaining independence from Japan and the PRC’s deployment of troops to wage war against the occupying U.S. imperialists in the Korean Peninsula; the USSR’s support for the Cuban struggle against U.S. imperialism; the PLA’s liberation of Tibet from feudal theocracy with the support of the toiling masses of Tibet; the USSR’s support for the Nicaraguan Sandinistas against the reactionary U.S.-backed “guerilla” Contras; these are a few examples.
Having a government in power that you backed is beneficial to you, therefore it isn’t altruistic. So it isn’t fully objectively good as someone above objected.
Now you’re changing the definition of good to exclude anything that benefits you. Hugging your mother isn’t objectively good. And for no other reason than in this narrow context in an argument it helps you save face.
My mom is a nice lady, and I love and respect her, so hugging her is good.
No, someone above was arguing that the US joining WWII wasn’t good because it wasn’t altruistic. I was applying the same logic.
Edit: see here
At what point do you cool off? You’ve been shown to be shamefully ignorant on pretty much every topic you’ve engaged with in this thread. When do you stop acting like you’re right about literally fucking everything and just give up on some arguments? Why do you have to go 12 rounds on pedantic bullshit like this? When if ever do you just chill the fuck out and start acting like you have things to learn about the world?
And no. The person you’re referring to did not say that the US joining WW2 wasn’t objectively good because it lacked altruism. They said it was because their intentions were entirely selfish. There’s a distinction.
Good question. I had hoped I would give an argument that the US is not incalculably worse than authoritarian regimes like Russia and China. But y’all seem to really like them despite reality, and there are way too many of you to talk to.
And this isn’t good for my sleep schedule, so I’ll manually defederate by blocking all your subs. Bye, thanks for being reasonable
It’s fucking wild how many times you’ve run face first into examples of not knowing what you’re talking about and being 100% wrong about and then continuing to say shit like “despite reality” as if you have any fucking idea what that reality is.
You were probably going to get banned for all this debatebro bullshit anyway
Fuck you, you admit you can’t actually make an argument, and yet you try to hide behind your imaginary version of “reality”. If reality was supportive of you, then you wouldn’t have had such an issue with finding an argument.
Now define Authoritarian
You should give evidence for why the US is better than those two states instead of concern trolling or relying on truisms from the lies in the propaganda you’ve deemed worthy to repeat as fact .
Fair enough on being barraged, but you could just make a separate post asserting your position on the US and why it is in fact better than its rivals. Even in your responses, you just reverted to “were not that bad because my enemies are worse” while denying the validity of the crimes of the US’s recent past and present role in sewing chaos and death.
I’m a little annoyed you haven’t been banned though, Since you’re not really engaging or evaluating our opinion but just trying to force yours onto us - as ritual to purge doubts from your mind about US virtue - believing if we affirm your reality we can banish your doubts.
" We’re bad but everyone else is worse" is just nationalist chauvinist praise asserting “we’re the best because everyone else is worse, therefore there’s no need to change”.
You are a concern troll acting in bad faith and I am irritated that our mod team has not banned you as such, though I suspect it has to do with the time of day more than anything.