My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there’s little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt

Aye and nays pls

Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity

I should probably put a content warning so

CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead.

Edit 2: let’s try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.

Edit 3: Imma be real with y’all, this has been a real shitshow. We gotta work out some kinda single voting infrastructure because the ayes and Nays isn’t efficient at all.

  • MrScottyTay
    246·
    2 years ago

    I’m going to agree with contextual idiot

    Nay

    Mainly because we ourselves have felt what it is like to be defederation because of others on our instance. There could very well be normal upstairs people hosted on that instance that never interacts with their instances community itself.

    If we defederate we risk them getting stuck in an eco chamber and potentially become exactly like the rest of them. And then that also brings up the same issue. The ones that are already bigots, if put into an echo chamber are going to think they are correct and are going to become bigger bigots. We won’t ever see it but the people in their day to day life will.

    • Kecessa
      136·
      2 years ago

      And you think letting them take part in discussions here won’t make users outside their instance convert? The more they can spread their message the more people join their cause and more join then leave. Sure some are already over there and don’t believe their bs, there’s a lot less of them than potential converts on Lemmy at large.

      • mnemonicmonkeys
        34·
        2 years ago

        But are they coming to this instance in any significant capacity? If they keep their discussions/trolling off of this instance then I don’t see any benefit. Individuals can already block the instance on their own accounts.

        • Kecessa
          103·
          2 years ago

          They’ve started:

          https://sh.itjust.works/comment/293823

          Same tactic as always too, there’s nothing special about Lemmy that will prevent the alt-right and tankies from spreading if no measures are taken. We’ve already defederated from the tankies instance, why not do the same with the other extreme?

          • mnemonicmonkeysEnglish
            22·
            2 years ago

            Is it just the 1 person trolling so far then? Because that’s all I’ve seen your links. If it’s one troll, then the admins here can just ban them and move on.

            As the saying goes, 1 is chance, 2 is a coincidence, 3+ is a pattern

            • KecessaEnglish
              83·
              2 years ago

              One trolling, one recruiting.

              That’s exactly how it begins on every single platform. How long do we wait before applying knowledge learned from all other social medias?

              • mnemonicmonkeysEnglish
                32·
                2 years ago

                Seems a bit early to resort to the slippery slope fallacy.

                I’ll reiterate my stance: there doesn’t seem to be an extended history of trolling from them (yet), and there’s nothing stopping you or anyone else here from blocking their content from your own account. If that changes and they start trolling or breaking rules here, then I’ll definitely support defederating from them, but at the moment that seems to be overkill.

                Meanwhile, I’ll point out that there’s spots in this thread where you have been less than civil over mere differences in opinion. That is not how you get people to side with you.

                • KecessaEnglish
                  53·
                  2 years ago

                  Is it really a slippery slope fallacy if the same story repeats itself on all social media platforms that don’t censor the alt-right? What makes Lemmy special that would prevent it?

                  • mnemonicmonkeysEnglish
                    24·
                    2 years ago

                    You do realize you’re making the exact same point as anti-LGBT advocates, right?

      • aspseka
        56·
        2 years ago

        Don’t be afraid of their “arguments”.

        • Kecessa
          84·
          2 years ago

          What I don’t want is to see more people join them, I know I’m not at risk, but some people are.

          • aspseka
            34·
            2 years ago

            So you’d rather they join there because that’s their only option and get them submerged in that bubble?

            • Kecessa
              62·
              2 years ago

              They won’t join then if they don’t see the message in the first place.

              • Derproid
                26·
                2 years ago

                This is a delusion. Everyone knows how deep the youtube rabbit hole can take you.

                • Kecessa
                  52·
                  2 years ago

                  Well then, buy YouTube from Google and remove the content from there… Or you know, do your part where you’re able to.