There have been at least two different countries seize the means of production over the years, it didn’t really work out for either of them. Turns out they just swapped one bourgeoise class for another, while the peasants and proles starved.
Well, let’s just see what happened during cultural revolution, sure seems like an improvement over what was happening before https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/
Meanwhile, Russia went from a backwards agrarian society where people travelled by horse and carriage to being the first in space in the span of 40 years. Russia showed incredible growth after the revolution that surpassed the rest of the world:
USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960’s, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:
Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:
In 1987, people in the USSR could retire with pension at 55 (female) and 60 (male) while receiving 50% of their wages at a at minimum. Meanwhile, in USA the average retirement age was 62-67 and the average (not median) retiree household in the USA could expect $48k/yr which comes out to 65% of the 74k average (not median) household income in 2016:
The Soviet Union had the highest physician/patient ratio in the world. USSR had 42 doctors per 10,000 population compared to 24 in Denmark and Sweden, and 19 in US:
These are just some of the biggest technological and social achievements of the Soviet Union.
academic studies on USSR
Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possible:
Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:
A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:
This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.
This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.
Adult mortality increased enormously in Russia and other countries of the former Soviet Union when the Soviet system collapsed 30 years ago. https://archive.ph/9Z12u
I love how either no one anwers to these, or they claim they’re made up after pretending that they’re more informed and definitely not living in their own propaganda reality.
I bet the response to this will be that they don’t have time for these walls of text because they’re too busy working.
They literally only claimed to be communist for a few years out of their decades long rule. They had cia connections. The vietnamese communists overthrew them and installed a communist democracy. But sure, they’re communist /s.
Only question is what the fuck was US doing murdering people half way across the world. I guess that’s the whole missionary mentality coming from enlightened Europeans where your tradition is to go around the world to kill and enslave people.
I love how being able to criticize a country you live in is hilarious for you. Says a lot about you really. Doubly hilarious that you think China is fake communist. It’s such an important cope for westies, cause accepting that a communist country does everything better than your beloved capitalism is a hard pill to swallow.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make there to be honest. I’m guessing you’re trying to create some emotional appeal there, but we can find pictures of western regimes committing far worse atrocities today. In fact, US regime alone is responsible for over 300 million deaths https://nyupress.org/9781583679890/endless-holocausts/
And if you bothered actually reading the shit you post, you’d find out that it counts youth unemployment from the age of 16. Being shocked at the fact that kids are going to school instead of working is of course nothing to be surprised about when talking to a capitalism enjoyer.
China is a capitalist country, why else would they be buying western companies?
This is such a hilraiously reductive understanding of what a capitalist country is. Using your “logic”, UK is a communist country because you still have public healthcare for now.
Every day since the 19th century…any day now
We seized some means of production… sort of?
There have been at least two different countries seize the means of production over the years, it didn’t really work out for either of them. Turns out they just swapped one bourgeoise class for another, while the peasants and proles starved.
What you said is fractally wrong.
What do fractals have to do with this?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness
Really? So the USSR and China during the cultural revolution were utopias where everyone had their basic needs met, and nobody went hungry?
I bet they link some bs survey about how life is great in China
China isn’t communist anymore anyway.
Everything that contradicts western propaganda is bs. Such galaxy brain logic you’ve got there.
Well, let’s just see what happened during cultural revolution, sure seems like an improvement over what was happening before https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/
Meanwhile, Russia went from a backwards agrarian society where people travelled by horse and carriage to being the first in space in the span of 40 years. Russia showed incredible growth after the revolution that surpassed the rest of the world:
USSR provided free education to all citizens resulting in literacy rising from 33% to 99.9%:
USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960’s, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:
Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:
USSR moved from 58.5-hour work weeks to 41.6 hour work weeks (-0.36 h/yr) between 1913 and 1960:
USSR averaged 22 days of paid leave in 1986 while USA averaged 7.6 in 1996:
In 1987, people in the USSR could retire with pension at 55 (female) and 60 (male) while receiving 50% of their wages at a at minimum. Meanwhile, in USA the average retirement age was 62-67 and the average (not median) retiree household in the USA could expect $48k/yr which comes out to 65% of the 74k average (not median) household income in 2016:
GDP took off after socialism was established and then collapsed with the reintroduction of capitalism:
The Soviet Union had the highest physician/patient ratio in the world. USSR had 42 doctors per 10,000 population compared to 24 in Denmark and Sweden, and 19 in US:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0735675784900482 (sci-hub for access)
USSR defeated a smallpox epidemic in a matter of 19 days https://www.rbth.com/history/331857-how-ussr-defeated-black-smallpox
The Social Consequences of Soviet Immunization Policies https://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/1997-812-03g-Hoch.pdf
These are just some of the biggest technological and social achievements of the Soviet Union.
academic studies on USSR
Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possible:
Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:
A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:
This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.
This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.
So, how do people who lived under communism feel now that they got a taste of capitalism?
Adult mortality increased enormously in Russia and other countries of the former Soviet Union when the Soviet system collapsed 30 years ago. https://archive.ph/9Z12u
Former Soviet Countries See More Harm From Breakup https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx
The Free market paradise goes East chapters in Blackshirts and Reds details some more results of the transition to capitalism.
I love how either no one anwers to these, or they claim they’re made up after pretending that they’re more informed and definitely not living in their own propaganda reality.
I bet the response to this will be that they don’t have time for these walls of text because they’re too busy working.
I mean, you are comparing it to the US, which is about the worse country in the west that is still called “developed”.
Do the same with Norway, Finland, Denmark or Sweden. Your choice.
I’d rather have no source than that source
Ever heard of Cambodia?
And Pol Pot got deposed by Vietnam after they kicked the US out. They really should get more credit…
That’s another one. They killed a large chunk of their population, didn’t they?
Between 21-24%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide
Jesus, I’d forgotten just how bad it was.
And it took until 1997 to arrest Pol Pot. He does of a heart attack the following year.
They literally only claimed to be communist for a few years out of their decades long rule. They had cia connections. The vietnamese communists overthrew them and installed a communist democracy. But sure, they’re communist /s.
This Cambodia? https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/03/20/american-bombing-50-years-ago-still-shapes-cambodian-agriculture
Yes that one, the one with all the Chinese land mines, both countries have done shitty things, there are no good guys
I think I’m going to call people like you Tankards, like a tankie, but with added tard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mines_in_Cambodia
Only question is what the fuck was US doing murdering people half way across the world. I guess that’s the whole missionary mentality coming from enlightened Europeans where your tradition is to go around the world to kill and enslave people.
My tradition? All those people are dead, and I’m pretty sure the Barbary pirates weren’t European but still took slaves, as did most of Asia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Asia
Judging historical events by today’s standards is fucking stupid.
The CCP is literally enslaving and sterilising Uyghurs right now
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22311356/china-uyghur-birthrate-sterilization-genocide
Pretty hilarious to see a guy from a capitalist shithole that’s tearing itself apart acting all smug. Never gets old.
As hilarious as seeing a guy from a capitalist country fantasising over a fake communist country
I love how being able to criticize a country you live in is hilarious for you. Says a lot about you really. Doubly hilarious that you think China is fake communist. It’s such an important cope for westies, cause accepting that a communist country does everything better than your beloved capitalism is a hard pill to swallow.
Love how ya’ll are still coping with the fact that your color revolution failed.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make there to be honest. I’m guessing you’re trying to create some emotional appeal there, but we can find pictures of western regimes committing far worse atrocities today. In fact, US regime alone is responsible for over 300 million deaths https://nyupress.org/9781583679890/endless-holocausts/
Fucking hell mate, do you not get irony?
Go criticise the CCP in China and see what happens
I can call the UK govt cunts all day without getting on a list or a visit before the Tory conference
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/14/dissidents-in-china-detained-and-harassed-as-beijing-prepares-for-party-congress
And if it’s going so well, why have they stopped publishing youth unemployment rates???
https://news.sky.com/story/china-releases-economic-data-but-missing-set-of-figures-on-youth-unemployment-will-spark-concern-12940292
Hint, the last set said youth unemployment was at 21.3%
China is a capitalist country, why else would they be buying western companies?
https://www.ft.com/content/a940f22f-a79d-4165-9ca2-f15ec218c3b5
My favorite part about you is just how aggressively wrong you are about everything. For example let’s just dissect this bit of sheer nonsense:
Youth unemployment in China is… perfectly line with youth unemployment in Europe https://www.statista.com/statistics/613670/youth-unemployment-rates-in-europe/
And if you bothered actually reading the shit you post, you’d find out that it counts youth unemployment from the age of 16. Being shocked at the fact that kids are going to school instead of working is of course nothing to be surprised about when talking to a capitalism enjoyer.
This is such a hilraiously reductive understanding of what a capitalist country is. Using your “logic”, UK is a communist country because you still have public healthcare for now.
Lol, it’s in line with basket cases like Greece and Spain. The average is 10% below China’s
Now go look at Chinas property market that’s about to implode.
Check out their deflation risk while you’re at it.
Because they’re not in school you fucking moron, they’re unemployed.
No Tankard, social policies != communism
you keep on coping there little buddy, you’ll need the practice going forward
Lol, this is the bit where you say you were wrong about youth unemployment