The Mediterranean island of Lampedusa is a first point of arrival for people seeking asylum or looking to keep moving north to other European countries.
If Italy collapses it will be from being stripped bare by right wing politicians/organized criminals. Not this. That’s absurd. You don’t see Morocco or Turkey collapsing and those places are absolute shitholes run by morons.
I don’t know, I live in that country and the EU isn’t doing shit to solve the problem, meanwhile we are drowned by immigrants in any city center I visited, with more and more thefts and teenagers being raped.
This was before the Meloni government.
Now it’s only getting worse due to the increase in smugglers.
(I don’t support the Meloni government, it’s the worst shit that could have happened to this country)
Bollocks, you’re talking about your anecdotal impression while repeating the government false selling points without data to back yours or their statements.
Italy is 14th in Europe by ratio of immigrants compared to the resident population. Link. So, it’s not that immigrants infested hellhole you picture.
"Secondo Eurostat, al 1º gennaio 2017 l’Italia era il quarto Paese dell’U.E. per popolazione immigrata, ovvero nata all’estero, con 6,1 milioni di immigrati, dopo Germania (12,1 milioni), Regno Unito (9,3 milioni) e Francia (8,2 milioni), appena davanti alla Spagna (6,0 milioni)[2]. Per numero di stranieri (inclusi gli apolidi) in percentuale rispetto al totale della popolazione residente, l’Italia si classificava al quattordicesimo posto (su 28) nell’Unione Europea (con l’8,3% di immigrati sul totale della popolazione). "
Crime in Italy is decreasing FAST. In this chart you can see how it went from the 90s. And it’s still one of the safest countries in Europe and in the world.
Italy crime rate & statistics for 2021 was 0.51, a 6.78% increase from 2020.
Italy crime rate & statistics for 2020 was 0.48, a 9.74% decline from 2019.
Italy crime rate & statistics for 2019 was 0.53, a 11.49% decline from 2018.
Italy crime rate & statistics for 2018 was 0.60, a 4.31% decline from 2017.
Edit: let’s paste another bit:
"Italy has a lower per capita rate of rape than most of the advanced Western countries in the European Union.[14]
According to Police authorities data, the rate of sexual assaults per 100,000 inhabitants is significantly higher in the Northern region than in the Southern ones. In 2009, Lombardia and Emilia Romagna were the regions with the highest rate of sexual offences per 100.000 inhabitants (9.7); followed by Trentino Alto Adige and Tuscany (9.5); Piedmont and Liguria (8.6); Umbria (8.4). In this respect, all major Southern regions like Sicily (6.8); Calabria (6.5); Apulia (6.2); Campania (6,0) were the safest in the national territory, with the only exception of Friuli Venezia Giulia (5.1) in the North.[15] "
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Nonetheless, since Meloni’s went to power, illegal landings have almost doubled, in face of her promises of being this iron wall against immigration.
The EU IS doing a big part in handling the problem, I can tell you from first hand experience since my wife works in a center for underage immigrants. We’re getting a HUGE amount of money from the EU to handle them, both in food, education and everything needed.
Thing is (and, again, this is from first hand experience), those funds are available upon request, and in the vast majority of cases local councils fail to apply for them. This is either because they’re not aware of them, they don’t have technicians specialized in these kind of legal procedures and bids, they fail to put in practice the requirements and all that.
So, again, incompetence has a big part. And guess what. What Salvini did recently was to make it almost impossible for immigrants to acquire work permits, in a show of “toughness”.
The result is that you have a bunch of people already in the country who would be perfectly happy to do legally all the stuff Italians don’t want to do (like working in the fields in the summer, cleaning etc, and can not.
So they end up in the streets.
The situation is complex, simplifying it into “my city is full of black raping people and the EU does nothing” is beyond ignorant.
I honestly don’t know the statistics throughout the country, where I am currently (Vicenza) the situation is increasingly degrading, especially the train stations and parks, I assume because it is one of the stops before going to the countries further north.
I don’t doubt your statistics, Italy is a diverse country with many cities with different problems.
If Italy collapses it will be from being stripped bare by right wing politicians/organized criminals. Not this. That’s absurd. You don’t see Morocco or Turkey collapsing and those places are absolute shitholes run by morons.
I don’t know, I live in that country and the EU isn’t doing shit to solve the problem, meanwhile we are drowned by immigrants in any city center I visited, with more and more thefts and teenagers being raped. This was before the Meloni government.
Now it’s only getting worse due to the increase in smugglers.
(I don’t support the Meloni government, it’s the worst shit that could have happened to this country)
Bollocks, you’re talking about your anecdotal impression while repeating the government false selling points without data to back yours or their statements.
Italy is 14th in Europe by ratio of immigrants compared to the resident population. Link. So, it’s not that immigrants infested hellhole you picture.
"Secondo Eurostat, al 1º gennaio 2017 l’Italia era il quarto Paese dell’U.E. per popolazione immigrata, ovvero nata all’estero, con 6,1 milioni di immigrati, dopo Germania (12,1 milioni), Regno Unito (9,3 milioni) e Francia (8,2 milioni), appena davanti alla Spagna (6,0 milioni)[2]. Per numero di stranieri (inclusi gli apolidi) in percentuale rispetto al totale della popolazione residente, l’Italia si classificava al quattordicesimo posto (su 28) nell’Unione Europea (con l’8,3% di immigrati sul totale della popolazione). "
Crime in Italy is decreasing FAST. In this chart you can see how it went from the 90s. And it’s still one of the safest countries in Europe and in the world.
Italy crime rate & statistics for 2021 was 0.51, a 6.78% increase from 2020.Italy crime rate & statistics for 2020 was 0.48, a 9.74% decline from 2019.Italy crime rate & statistics for 2019 was 0.53, a 11.49% decline from 2018.Italy crime rate & statistics for 2018 was 0.60, a 4.31% decline from 2017.Edit: let’s paste another bit:
"Italy has a lower per capita rate of rape than most of the advanced Western countries in the European Union.[14]
According to Police authorities data, the rate of sexual assaults per 100,000 inhabitants is significantly higher in the Northern region than in the Southern ones. In 2009, Lombardia and Emilia Romagna were the regions with the highest rate of sexual offences per 100.000 inhabitants (9.7); followed by Trentino Alto Adige and Tuscany (9.5); Piedmont and Liguria (8.6); Umbria (8.4). In this respect, all major Southern regions like Sicily (6.8); Calabria (6.5); Apulia (6.2); Campania (6,0) were the safest in the national territory, with the only exception of Friuli Venezia Giulia (5.1) in the North.[15] "
/edit
Nonetheless, since Meloni’s went to power, illegal landings have almost doubled, in face of her promises of being this iron wall against immigration.
The EU IS doing a big part in handling the problem, I can tell you from first hand experience since my wife works in a center for underage immigrants. We’re getting a HUGE amount of money from the EU to handle them, both in food, education and everything needed.
Thing is (and, again, this is from first hand experience), those funds are available upon request, and in the vast majority of cases local councils fail to apply for them. This is either because they’re not aware of them, they don’t have technicians specialized in these kind of legal procedures and bids, they fail to put in practice the requirements and all that.
So, again, incompetence has a big part. And guess what. What Salvini did recently was to make it almost impossible for immigrants to acquire work permits, in a show of “toughness”.
The result is that you have a bunch of people already in the country who would be perfectly happy to do legally all the stuff Italians don’t want to do (like working in the fields in the summer, cleaning etc, and can not.
So they end up in the streets.
The situation is complex, simplifying it into “my city is full of black raping people and the EU does nothing” is beyond ignorant.
I honestly don’t know the statistics throughout the country, where I am currently (Vicenza) the situation is increasingly degrading, especially the train stations and parks, I assume because it is one of the stops before going to the countries further north. I don’t doubt your statistics, Italy is a diverse country with many cities with different problems.
The reason people are unhappy to do those jobs is because the pay is insufficient.
Bringing in foreign labour so that wages can be kept down is not the solution to that issue.
‘collapsing’ in a european context means turning into the same shitholes these people are ‘fleeing’ from