• Socsa
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    I still think this is naive in the face of real information warfare. This feels like saying “Nazis are welcome here but they aren’t allowed on the second floor so if you don’t want to see them stick to that.”

    Eventually the Nazis will just drive everyone else away and take over the second floor as well. Because the Nazis have no such holdups about acting in good faith.

    I believe that communities must take measures to actively protect themselves, particularly from those who would abuse a community’s values in order to remake them. I don’t think the abstract threat of slippery slopes rises to the real threat posed by those who continually demonstrate a proclivity for subterfuge and sabotage.

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      I should clarify. When the skinheads from the Nazi house down the street come over to visit, they must follow our instance-wide and community rules. This should be a basic fediquette for everyone. If they repeatedly fail to do that then we will have to defederate them. But if they check the swastika at the door and keep the Nazism to themselves while they’re here, I don’t see why not. Most of the calls for defederation so far have been about people not wanting to see activities happening on remote communities on certain instances.

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        1 year ago

        Ok but how many times will we make the mistake of letting the Nazis in the front door before we learn this lesson?

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          It all depends on how the other instance responds.

          • If their admin don’t want to do anything about users causing problems in other instances then I’d say defederate temporarily (1 month or more) each time their users break our rules.
          • If their admin actively encourages this kind of behaviour then defederate permanently.
          • If they have rules against bad behaviour on other instances and non-negligible consequences for violations then try to work with them, but still defederate temporarily (~1 week) when our/their moderation team can’t keep up.