good. hopefully the media can stop pushing this nonsense 24/7. i wonder if the families will pay for the millions of dollars wasted in searching for these selfish idiots? who knowingly signed up for this death trap?
at least emergency services in my area charge idiots for rescues. fuck around in the White mountains and you can end up paying six figures or more for a rescue. which is as it should be. they don’t however, charge for legitimate rescues.
This complete and utter lack of compassion is something I’d expect to see on Reddit. How unfortunate this mindset seems to have tagged along in the migration. Show some damn humanity.
The complete and utter lack of understanding as to why people may react in the way the person you’re replying to boggles my mind. Are you willfully ignorant of how destructive billionaires can be on society? Are you completely neglecting how negligent the CEO of this diving company was about their own safety?
Instead of wagging your finger from your pedestal, spend some time understanding why so many people share this type of reaction.
There was a single billionaire on that sub. Just one. There were two businessmen, one with his son, and a well known diver. It wasn’t a sub full of billionaires. Certainly they were all wealthy, no question there. But your reaction can only be “Good, they deserved it” if you think the deaths of the others (including the 19 year-old, who had no control over what family he was born into) are worth the death of the billionaire.
It’s a response fundamentally lacking in empathy. You’re asking us to have empathy for the person who isn’t displaying empathy.
Sure, he cut a lot of safety corners. This is the epitome of “fuck around and find out”. It’s even ironic.
But we can still have empathy. Being stupid about it doesn’t mean that they didn’t leave families behind.
Agreed, and the fact that the hateful parent comment is still sitting at the top of the thread also makes me concerned for kbin’s ranking algorithm.
At the moment it has 28 “upvotes” and 51 “downvotes,” which on reddit would have it buried and hidden at the bottom. Here it’s remained the top comment since the article was posted.
Possibly because it has three “boosts”? I don’t understand the difference between boosts and votes. But this site is going to have to do something about it, because normal people are going to run from this place if this kind of sociopathic content is elevated here.
From what I’ve read, on kbin boost is upvote, upvote is “favorite”, and downvote does nothing but put a number there. At least that’s what’s happening for now, it may be a bug or will be changed in the future.
I saw one user get heavily downvoted and I looked at their reputation and it was a large negative number. Sure it’s just internet points, but it’s something I could automatically detect and block with a script someday.
It seems a downvote on a post affects your reputation negatively, while an upvote does not. Boosting a post and/or comment increases your reputation score instead. The scheme is weird. I posted a video a couple days ago that had over a dozen upvotes but 2 downvotes. My reputation score was -2.
I realize they’re internet points, but I went ahead and boosted all my comments since kbin doesn’t do it automatically yet. My reputation score was in the teens after that. It’s a work in progress system, and already known. Apparently a fix is under way.
That explains why so many people have negative reputation on their profile for no apparent reason. It definitely needs to be changed because this current system just disproportionately favors negative rep
for the most part people will take up arrow as upvote and down arrow as downvote, and will never really look past that.
you mean the same ‘normal people’ who ruined reddit by turning into a place where no dissent and disagreement is tolerated and just want to look at pictures of cute cats to ‘cultivate positivity’?
not everyone wants to live in ‘curated’ world. some normal people like a variety of opinions and perspectives, and don’t see the work through the lens of kindergarten classroom rules.
Agreed. I was really enjoying the lack of reddit-style constant negativity permeating the tops of threads for a while, but seems like every day it’s been getting worse.
I have zero compassion for people who claim any safety measures taken are ridiculous, pay extraoridinary amounts of money to do something stupid, and potentially cause the death of a young kid.
And then waste extraordinary resources in public funding to “fix” it.
exactly. these people are a blight on society. why should so many resources be wasted on their egos just because they have fat bank accounts?
sadly too many people are bootlickers who think the wealthy and their awful lifestyles are something to be worshipped. i would wager most of the empathy pushers here have zero empathy for the migrants on the boats… because those people had no wealth.
sad truth is we live in a world where your moral worth or empathy worth is directly tied to your financial worth. a few rich people dying is a tragedy to dwell on, hundreds of poor people dying is not worth a thought.
yep. they are the ones whining and saying ‘why can’t we bury/block/ignore this bad person and their bad comments’.
the people who police negativity are the ones who are subscribe to proto fascism because the underlining feeling/though is ‘get in line or get lost’.
they don’t have empathy, they just have moralizing/policing of empathy to boost themselves up and put down others, because they live a fragile and delusional world that cannot tolerate difference of opinion or perspective.
the shittiest part of reddit is how so many subs an the entire site became overrun with people who have the mentality of toddlers and start going around policing the ‘always be nice to everyone at all times’ and ‘don’t say anything that might upset someone’ and fail to see how fucked up and facist that sort of regime always becomes as it marginalizes anyone outside of the dominate group and often perpetuates destructive points of view.
or even more simple, it’s the people who have ‘empathy’ for the homeless but pass laws criminalizing homelessness and refuse to allow shelters or other resources in their communities. feeling bad for someone doesn’t make you a good person. doing good things does.
the complete disregard of human beings who don’t have tons of financial wealth and the worship and waste of those who do, that is something you think is positive?
you simple don’t regard the poor as human. a very common perspective.
Such disregard for life is unjustifiable and inexcusable - I don’t know what values you aspire to live by, but celebrating death or wishing punitive suffering on anyone is certain to perpetuate harm.
It’s tragic that people died regardless of the lives they lead. I have no love for the ultra wealthy, and this event overshadowing the capsized migrant boat highlights our collective hypocrisy, but celebrating death & suffering is a self-destructive and socially regressive action that I hope fewer people do. Instead of directing your ire towards the individuals who died I hope that you and other readers direct that frustration towards the systemic failures those individuals embodied, and I hope you find a way use that anger for constructive action towards a better world.
Liability waiver are not the end all, be all of legal action. If the company was negligent that is not going to be covered in the waiver. There are also other caveats that may be relevant to if the waiver is valid and enforceable. I’d be curious about which jusisdiction’s laws apply.
Not only can you absolutely argue with a waiver (and I’m sure the families will), but that’s only an agreement between the company and the customer, not the customer and the governmental agencies involved in the rescue.
good. hopefully the media can stop pushing this nonsense 24/7. i wonder if the families will pay for the millions of dollars wasted in searching for these selfish idiots? who knowingly signed up for this death trap?
at least emergency services in my area charge idiots for rescues. fuck around in the White mountains and you can end up paying six figures or more for a rescue. which is as it should be. they don’t however, charge for legitimate rescues.
This complete and utter lack of compassion is something I’d expect to see on Reddit. How unfortunate this mindset seems to have tagged along in the migration. Show some damn humanity.
The complete and utter lack of understanding as to why people may react in the way the person you’re replying to boggles my mind. Are you willfully ignorant of how destructive billionaires can be on society? Are you completely neglecting how negligent the CEO of this diving company was about their own safety?
Instead of wagging your finger from your pedestal, spend some time understanding why so many people share this type of reaction.
Personally, I’m proud of having more empathy and humanity than a billionaire.
lol bro. You don’t have to like the rich class to have basic human empathy for other people
I’m not saying you can’t have empathy for other people. I’m saying you should probably understand better as to why people have the reaction they do
Because people like to act shallow and just put other people into grouos they hate regardless of actually knowing anyone form that group?
Gee, that’s always works well for everyone.
murderers are a group.
should they have the receive the same level of empathy, of say, teachers. also a group.
There was a single billionaire on that sub. Just one. There were two businessmen, one with his son, and a well known diver. It wasn’t a sub full of billionaires. Certainly they were all wealthy, no question there. But your reaction can only be “Good, they deserved it” if you think the deaths of the others (including the 19 year-old, who had no control over what family he was born into) are worth the death of the billionaire.
It’s a response fundamentally lacking in empathy. You’re asking us to have empathy for the person who isn’t displaying empathy.
Sure, he cut a lot of safety corners. This is the epitome of “fuck around and find out”. It’s even ironic.
But we can still have empathy. Being stupid about it doesn’t mean that they didn’t leave families behind.
i think people who willing put themselves into a dangerous situation deserve what is coming to them, yes.
empathy has shit to do with it. i have empathy for people who do the right things and suffer, not for people who do stupid/wrong things and suffer.
i fail to get what moral standing there is for empathizing with people who do stupid shit that ends up endangering others.
god forbid there be negative consequences for negative actions…
if you think feeling bad for others no matter the context is some sort of moral achievement… bully you. i call it grandstanding.
do you also have empathy for a drunk driver who murders a family of four and gets away with minor injuries?
@smokinjoe @Girlparts @Turkey_Titty_city @EnderWi99in This is what Internet White Knighting looks like.
Ender’s heart is in the right place, but his head is up his ass.
Lol you have no idea what white knighting means you moron.
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Funnily enough, I do.
It’s funny you think that. Go back to Reddit.
people tend to have endless empathy for those that they worship. and total disregard for anyone else.
it’s bootlicking of tragedy.
Agreed, and the fact that the hateful parent comment is still sitting at the top of the thread also makes me concerned for kbin’s ranking algorithm.
At the moment it has 28 “upvotes” and 51 “downvotes,” which on reddit would have it buried and hidden at the bottom. Here it’s remained the top comment since the article was posted.
Possibly because it has three “boosts”? I don’t understand the difference between boosts and votes. But this site is going to have to do something about it, because normal people are going to run from this place if this kind of sociopathic content is elevated here.
From what I’ve read, on kbin boost is upvote, upvote is “favorite”, and downvote does nothing but put a number there. At least that’s what’s happening for now, it may be a bug or will be changed in the future.
I saw one user get heavily downvoted and I looked at their reputation and it was a large negative number. Sure it’s just internet points, but it’s something I could automatically detect and block with a script someday.
It seems a downvote on a post affects your reputation negatively, while an upvote does not. Boosting a post and/or comment increases your reputation score instead. The scheme is weird. I posted a video a couple days ago that had over a dozen upvotes but 2 downvotes. My reputation score was -2.
I realize they’re internet points, but I went ahead and boosted all my comments since kbin doesn’t do it automatically yet. My reputation score was in the teens after that. It’s a work in progress system, and already known. Apparently a fix is under way.
That explains why so many people have negative reputation on their profile for no apparent reason. It definitely needs to be changed because this current system just disproportionately favors negative rep
for the most part people will take up arrow as upvote and down arrow as downvote, and will never really look past that.
you mean the same ‘normal people’ who ruined reddit by turning into a place where no dissent and disagreement is tolerated and just want to look at pictures of cute cats to ‘cultivate positivity’?
not everyone wants to live in ‘curated’ world. some normal people like a variety of opinions and perspectives, and don’t see the work through the lens of kindergarten classroom rules.
Agreed. I was really enjoying the lack of reddit-style constant negativity permeating the tops of threads for a while, but seems like every day it’s been getting worse.
what you regard as negativity is not what others regard as negativity.
your mentality is the crappy reddit one, no dissent, no differences, just only ‘positive vibes’ and pulling the wool over your eyes.
I have zero compassion for people who claim any safety measures taken are ridiculous, pay extraoridinary amounts of money to do something stupid, and potentially cause the death of a young kid.
And then waste extraordinary resources in public funding to “fix” it.
Hope these families get charged for every dollar.
exactly. these people are a blight on society. why should so many resources be wasted on their egos just because they have fat bank accounts?
sadly too many people are bootlickers who think the wealthy and their awful lifestyles are something to be worshipped. i would wager most of the empathy pushers here have zero empathy for the migrants on the boats… because those people had no wealth.
sad truth is we live in a world where your moral worth or empathy worth is directly tied to your financial worth. a few rich people dying is a tragedy to dwell on, hundreds of poor people dying is not worth a thought.
I personally think the empathy pushers are just bad faith actors.
Misplaced empathy (if genuine) is just as nuclear as fascist takeover.
Empathizing with the utterly cruel and utterly dumb is how you can’t tell anymore who is truly kind and generous.
yep. they are the ones whining and saying ‘why can’t we bury/block/ignore this bad person and their bad comments’.
the people who police negativity are the ones who are subscribe to proto fascism because the underlining feeling/though is ‘get in line or get lost’.
they don’t have empathy, they just have moralizing/policing of empathy to boost themselves up and put down others, because they live a fragile and delusional world that cannot tolerate difference of opinion or perspective.
the shittiest part of reddit is how so many subs an the entire site became overrun with people who have the mentality of toddlers and start going around policing the ‘always be nice to everyone at all times’ and ‘don’t say anything that might upset someone’ and fail to see how fucked up and facist that sort of regime always becomes as it marginalizes anyone outside of the dominate group and often perpetuates destructive points of view.
or even more simple, it’s the people who have ‘empathy’ for the homeless but pass laws criminalizing homelessness and refuse to allow shelters or other resources in their communities. feeling bad for someone doesn’t make you a good person. doing good things does.
the complete disregard of human beings who don’t have tons of financial wealth and the worship and waste of those who do, that is something you think is positive?
you simple don’t regard the poor as human. a very common perspective.
It’s not some exclusively Reddit behaviour - it’s just that much common, unfortunately.
“good” “selfish idiots”
Such disregard for life is unjustifiable and inexcusable - I don’t know what values you aspire to live by, but celebrating death or wishing punitive suffering on anyone is certain to perpetuate harm.
It’s tragic that people died regardless of the lives they lead. I have no love for the ultra wealthy, and this event overshadowing the capsized migrant boat highlights our collective hypocrisy, but celebrating death & suffering is a self-destructive and socially regressive action that I hope fewer people do. Instead of directing your ire towards the individuals who died I hope that you and other readers direct that frustration towards the systemic failures those individuals embodied, and I hope you find a way use that anger for constructive action towards a better world.
oh ok. so we should just make everyone immortal forever then.
think through what you are saying and you might realize the absurdity of it.
They signed a waiver, so when the sub went missing, that shoulda been the end of it. Because you can’t argue with a waiver.
Liability waiver are not the end all, be all of legal action. If the company was negligent that is not going to be covered in the waiver. There are also other caveats that may be relevant to if the waiver is valid and enforceable. I’d be curious about which jusisdiction’s laws apply.
Not only can you absolutely argue with a waiver (and I’m sure the families will), but that’s only an agreement between the company and the customer, not the customer and the governmental agencies involved in the rescue.