Well ignoring your dumbass comment I responded to, simple a lot of livestock is less intensive to maintain than farmland and can even be better than not doing it. The city and county in my area rent cattle to keep brush down. The problem most vegans have with livestock raising or even fishing is endemic to all forms of agricultural practices. You know that almpnd milk ya drink, yeah its probably helping make water more scarce here in California. Meanwhile I can get milk from a dairy a bit away from my house where the cows eat brush and drink water from the ranches water collection system.
The name of the game is harm reduction, while industrial farming generally sucks for the animals it is improving over time (at least here in California, fuck if I know what Utahs foing). Lots of Vegan shit is worse for the environment cause of water usage alone let alone shipping.
Oh and also, lots of farms exploit labor and guess what it takes a lot more labor to raise fucking beans than it does cows, goats, or swine.
Mind you I dont go out my way to eat needlessy wasteful animal products (lookin at you veel) because im not a complete asshole. I follow my ancestors philosophy, give it a long life good then slaughter it gets ya more and better quality meat.
Haha it’s literally the opposite. Plant based agriculture grows 512% more pounds of food than animal-based agriculture, with 69% of the land. Animal agriculture uses more water, emits more greenhouse gas, uses more land, and produces less of the world’s nutritional needs. You may be referring to “regenerative farming” with animal excrement fertilising soil, but crop rotation and reduced over-tilling is equally efficacious.
Almond milk uses more water
Wrong again. It takes 628 litres of water to make a litre of bovine milk, 371 for almond milk, and 28 for soy (which is what I drink, for that very reason).
It takes more labour to grow crops than animal farming
I can’t find any source either way on that, pasture.io says crop farming requires less physical labour, but they don’t seem to cite anything. What I do know is that slaughterhouse workers have severely increased risk of mental health disorders directly resulting from their work.
Follow my ancestors philosophy
Ah, the Appeal To History Fallacy, my ancestors did ritual slaughter of virgins so it’s morally okay to continue doing so!
To sum up, it really sounds like you haven’t done literally any research here. If the world swapped to veganism, global land use for agriculture would reduce by 75%. Food related emissions would reduce by 70% (that’s 15% of the ENTIRE world’s greenhouse gas emissions). And that doesn’t even mention animal welfare concerns.
Feel free to reply - I have overwhelming scientific support. I remember when I wasn’t vegan, desperately searching for ANY studies that supported my desire to continue living a destructive, immoral lifestyle. In the end, I just listened to logic and reason and turned vegan.
Look the only reason I brought up my ancestors is that I was explaining my reasoning behind my actions. Admitedly I lean towards the abjectly most bloodthirsty and violent side of my ancesteral traditions, but it hasnt fucked me over yet.
As for water use of cattle, while it is quite high that has far more to do with alfalfa than anything else. Yet again an issue of factory farming, that more free range aint got a problem with.
Also I may have mistyped but I meant on the almonds to be in relation to local aquafure use and not in gross total.
But frankly speaking, I dont give a fuck. If I had to choose between growing my own food or just killing someone and eating them im gonna go with option b.
Regardless im autistic and most vegetables make me want to cut off my tongue due to their texture. There no way in hell id becoem vegan short of synthetic meats becoming cheap enough for my poor ass.
No kidding. You aren’t refuting the Appeal To History Fallacy, you’re doubling down even. Cavemen used tribalistically murder and rape, that doesn’t mean it’s okay to do now. You’re smarter than that. You don’t need to do things because cavemen once did.
Alfafa is the culprit of high water use
You originally said vegan diets are worse for water use. I refuted you. You’ve basically replied with “that’s because cattle eat food that use more water”. They still use more water. Every meat eater purports to buy their meat “from the farmer next door”. However pasture raised cattle require longer life spans before slaughter (18-30 months old instead of 13-15) due to a reduced energy-dense diet. The water reduction isn’t that much.
Local aquafure use is used more in almond production than beef
Forgetting that almonds (which I suggest people DONT eat) use 50% less water than cows, groundwater was the source of 62% of total livestock withdraws in the US. I agree that almonds are too water intensive, we should shift to soy which uses >20x less water.
I don’t give a fuck
Which is what I said at the beginning. The only valid argument against veganism is when someone says “I know a vegan diet is healthier, better for the planet and better for the animals, but I still choose to kill and eat animals”. There’s no arguing against someone who ignores reason to satisfy their tastebuds.
I’m autistic and don’t like veges
I’m sure if an autistic cannibal came along and said “I don’t like the texture of animals, I only eat human children and women” we wouldn’t accept that as an excuse.
Cavemen probably had better moral barometers than tbh, what with the fact that most Eurosians have neanderthal genes. Doubt most cavemen would want to eradicate the leadership of an enemy tribe all because of a petty grudge built up over a hundred years. Doesnt stop me from wanting to inflict that apon the seventh day adventist, this isnt even family policy thats all me.
Also at best with the ground water thing and cows youve made me appreciate how fucking useful chickens are, creating constant source of nutrients and you can eat em fucking a.
Also I suspect the reason vegans are on average healthy is less cause their diet is inately better but more cause they are more focused on that in general, but I dont really care.
As fore the last one, whatever caused such a scenario its safe just go with it and make synthetic human meat for em.
Well ignoring your dumbass comment I responded to, simple a lot of livestock is less intensive to maintain than farmland and can even be better than not doing it. The city and county in my area rent cattle to keep brush down. The problem most vegans have with livestock raising or even fishing is endemic to all forms of agricultural practices. You know that almpnd milk ya drink, yeah its probably helping make water more scarce here in California. Meanwhile I can get milk from a dairy a bit away from my house where the cows eat brush and drink water from the ranches water collection system.
The name of the game is harm reduction, while industrial farming generally sucks for the animals it is improving over time (at least here in California, fuck if I know what Utahs foing). Lots of Vegan shit is worse for the environment cause of water usage alone let alone shipping.
Oh and also, lots of farms exploit labor and guess what it takes a lot more labor to raise fucking beans than it does cows, goats, or swine.
Mind you I dont go out my way to eat needlessy wasteful animal products (lookin at you veel) because im not a complete asshole. I follow my ancestors philosophy, give it a long life good then slaughter it gets ya more and better quality meat.
Haha it’s literally the opposite. Plant based agriculture grows 512% more pounds of food than animal-based agriculture, with 69% of the land. Animal agriculture uses more water, emits more greenhouse gas, uses more land, and produces less of the world’s nutritional needs. You may be referring to “regenerative farming” with animal excrement fertilising soil, but crop rotation and reduced over-tilling is equally efficacious.
Wrong again. It takes 628 litres of water to make a litre of bovine milk, 371 for almond milk, and 28 for soy (which is what I drink, for that very reason).
I can’t find any source either way on that, pasture.io says crop farming requires less physical labour, but they don’t seem to cite anything. What I do know is that slaughterhouse workers have severely increased risk of mental health disorders directly resulting from their work.
Ah, the Appeal To History Fallacy, my ancestors did ritual slaughter of virgins so it’s morally okay to continue doing so!
To sum up, it really sounds like you haven’t done literally any research here. If the world swapped to veganism, global land use for agriculture would reduce by 75%. Food related emissions would reduce by 70% (that’s 15% of the ENTIRE world’s greenhouse gas emissions). And that doesn’t even mention animal welfare concerns.
Feel free to reply - I have overwhelming scientific support. I remember when I wasn’t vegan, desperately searching for ANY studies that supported my desire to continue living a destructive, immoral lifestyle. In the end, I just listened to logic and reason and turned vegan.
Look the only reason I brought up my ancestors is that I was explaining my reasoning behind my actions. Admitedly I lean towards the abjectly most bloodthirsty and violent side of my ancesteral traditions, but it hasnt fucked me over yet.
As for water use of cattle, while it is quite high that has far more to do with alfalfa than anything else. Yet again an issue of factory farming, that more free range aint got a problem with.
Also I may have mistyped but I meant on the almonds to be in relation to local aquafure use and not in gross total.
But frankly speaking, I dont give a fuck. If I had to choose between growing my own food or just killing someone and eating them im gonna go with option b.
Regardless im autistic and most vegetables make me want to cut off my tongue due to their texture. There no way in hell id becoem vegan short of synthetic meats becoming cheap enough for my poor ass.
No kidding. You aren’t refuting the Appeal To History Fallacy, you’re doubling down even. Cavemen used tribalistically murder and rape, that doesn’t mean it’s okay to do now. You’re smarter than that. You don’t need to do things because cavemen once did.
Forgetting that almonds (which I suggest people DONT eat) use 50% less water than cows, groundwater was the source of 62% of total livestock withdraws in the US. I agree that almonds are too water intensive, we should shift to soy which uses >20x less water.
Which is what I said at the beginning. The only valid argument against veganism is when someone says “I know a vegan diet is healthier, better for the planet and better for the animals, but I still choose to kill and eat animals”. There’s no arguing against someone who ignores reason to satisfy their tastebuds.
I’m sure if an autistic cannibal came along and said “I don’t like the texture of animals, I only eat human children and women” we wouldn’t accept that as an excuse.
Cavemen probably had better moral barometers than tbh, what with the fact that most Eurosians have neanderthal genes. Doubt most cavemen would want to eradicate the leadership of an enemy tribe all because of a petty grudge built up over a hundred years. Doesnt stop me from wanting to inflict that apon the seventh day adventist, this isnt even family policy thats all me.
Also at best with the ground water thing and cows youve made me appreciate how fucking useful chickens are, creating constant source of nutrients and you can eat em fucking a.
Also I suspect the reason vegans are on average healthy is less cause their diet is inately better but more cause they are more focused on that in general, but I dont really care.
As fore the last one, whatever caused such a scenario its safe just go with it and make synthetic human meat for em.