Hospitals and health care systems are increasingly turning to artificial intelligence to help summarize doctors’ notes and analyze health records.

Powered by AI models trained on troves of text pulled from the internet, chatbots such as ChatGPT and Google’s Bard responded to the researchers’ questions with a range of misconceptions and falsehoods about Black patients, sometimes including fabricated, race-based equations, according to the study published Friday in the academic journal Digital Medicine.

Experts worry these systems could cause real-world harms and amplify forms of medical racism that have persisted for generations as more physicians use chatbots for help with daily tasks such as emailing patients or appealing to health insurers.

The report found that all four models tested — ChatGPT and the more advanced GPT-4, both from OpenAI; Google’s Bard, and Anthropic’s Claude — failed when asked to respond to medical questions about kidney function, lung capacity and skin thickness. In some cases, they appeared to reinforce long-held false beliefs about biological differences between Black and white people that experts have spent years trying to eradicate from medical institutions.

  • Dr. DabblesEnglish
    0•8 months ago

    they’re just sort of using parts of what you say

    It’s called quoting, and I tend to not respond to parts I either agree with or don’t find important enough to respond to.

    it isn’t whether or not this is coming

    It’s ABSOLUTELY whether it’s coming, because what’s available is a laughable parlor trick. And thus far there’s zero evidence that anything reasonable is possible within decades. People outside the industry have been duped by con men pumping investment funds for quick cash, and that’s about the best thing that ML has produced.

    I won’t be surprised when I hear about students using this as an approach to study

    Yeah this has already happened, you’re like 5 years late to the party.

    None of that changes the fact that it’s here and we now must deal with it.

    If you consider it “here” or even “ai” then I have news for you. And you’re going to want to sit down, because so far the only thing it does is cost more per user, burn insane amounts of energy during a climate catastrophe, and trick gullible people into thinking it’s doing anything more than guessing the next word (in the case of LLM).

    I personally believe we can use this effectively

    Lots of people believe things that are wrong.

    • @[email protected]English
      -1•8 months ago

      I didn’t have to read any of it. Thinking this can’t be used effectively in a proper way is silliness. I guess you’re just a big anti AI person and that’s fine. I understand the limitations of the tech, especially in its earliest stages when it’s the most unreliable. But this tech is here and it’s not going anywhere. It’s going to continue to be refined and evolve and find new ways to be implemented.

      Just casting all of these unavoidable truths aside and simply saying it’s no good and can’t be used in x or y way is just a form of denial. you’re free to do that if it suits you but it just doesn’t change the facts.

      • Dr. DabblesEnglish
        0•8 months ago

        I guess you’re just a big anti AI person and that’s fine.

        Nope, I live in reality and work in the hardware industry. I presume you’re an ML specialist of some sort?

        I understand the limitations of the tech

        It really doesn’t seem like you do based on what you’ve said in this thread.

        especially in its earliest stages when it’s the most unreliable

        Yes, in the 1950s it was indeed unreliable. And here in 2023 it’s still unreliable. Again, based solely on what you’ve said in this thread I don’t think you understand the history, the current state of the art, or the future of any of this work. Let alone limitations.

        But this tech is here and it’s not going anywhere.

        …until a significantly more power efficient development comes along which will make current methods look foolish. Then it’s going away instantly. Also “this tech” has evolved so dramatically over the past 60-something years that even addressing it as “this tech” completely misses the point, and saying it isn’t going anywhere entirely ignores the developments we’ve had.

        Which tech specifically isn’t going anywhere? The hardware? The software? The networks themselves? Using activation functions as a concept in software?

        Just casting all of these unavoidable truths aside

        You don’t understand what you’re talking about, so I don’t think you’re in a position to tell me what is a truth or not.

        No doubt you’re a specialist, though, so I look forward to you describing in detail which “tech” you think isn’t going anywhere and how it’s going to develop in the future.

        • @[email protected]English
          -1•8 months ago

          Your argument is that ai from the 50s was bad so this is also bad and it will soon be replaced by like… actual ai so this doesn’t matter at all.

          Okie dokie. This has been fun.

          • Dr. DabblesEnglish
            0•8 months ago

            Maybe you should read what I wrote. Try answering my questions too. Or maybe you can’t and the snark is a deflection? Yeah, I’m guessing that’s it.